From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 26 10:03:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04434 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 26 May 1996 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04429 for ; Sun, 26 May 1996 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.mcs.com (root@Venus.mcs.com [192.160.127.92]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA17053; Sun, 26 May 1996 12:03:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by venus.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Sun, 26 May 96 12:03 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Routers and FreeBSD (let's have a bakeoff) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:03:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" Cc: amcrae@cisco.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605261551.LAA06443@etinc.com> from "dennis" at May 26, 96 11:51:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just for fun though, whats the mininum cost for a unit with two > Fast Ethernets and a dual T1 and enough memory (at least 32 > meg) to be multi-homed running BGP4? PC cost is under > $2500. and it does quite nicely. Again you stack the desk. Why? Two T1 inbound circuits require no more than ordinary Ethernet (3MB aggregate total on each T1 <= ~6Mbps (nominal REAL Ethernet throughput under load). I can come up with contrived examples all day. So can you. Why are you doing so? The rest of us are trying to keep away from that game. Further, that "multi homed Pentium box" will be VERY unlikely to be able to survive serious convergence situations and still be forwarding packets during the event. It further has to handle MEDs and policy routing to be considered something I would recommend that anyone actually run in a multihomed configuration (this is presuming you really want to load-balance instead of just using one of the T1s for backup :-) >> I consider the access stuff fairly dinky :-) > > and the most lucrative. Which is why ASCEND just blew the doors off all the access router people a couple of months ago (the P130 again) which, dollar-for-dollar, outruns any PC *OR* traditional router solution. This "leapfrog" game is common in the computer industry. > A serious router is one that carries my data. It starts in a small > office and ends in the backbone, but there are 1000 times more > small routers than large ones. To dismiss them as "trivial" is to > ignore 99% of the market, which Im sure you dont want to do. > > Dennis Again, comparing a PC to a C4500 is once again biasing the equation. Compare it against an Ascend P130, and tell me who has the best bang for the buck. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | T1 from $600 monthly; speeds to DS-3 available Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1] | 21 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL Clarinet feed!