From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 19:01:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF54106566B; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from raven.bwct.de (raven.bwct.de [85.159.14.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D98FC16; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cicely.de ([10.1.1.37]) by raven.bwct.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p2TJ1GkN060723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:01:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely7.cicely.de [10.1.1.9]) by mail.cicely.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2TJ0wX6028490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p2TJ0vAO036209; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely7.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id p2TJ0vLg036208; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:00:57 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Andrew Duane Message-ID: <20110329190057.GG34921@cicely7.cicely.de> References: <16FA7C02-86B0-46E6-A923-BC61357478FA@vicor.com> <1BC34FC3-7526-4DAA-964A-DDFD465DB830@bsdimp.com> <20110328110807.GA44745@freebsd.org> <4D90785C.1010802@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely7.cicely.de 7.0-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on spamd.cicely.de Cc: Alexander Best , Andriy Gapon , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:01:19 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 01:50:20PM -0400, Andrew Duane wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Andriy Gapon > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:00 AM > To: Alexander Best > Cc: FreeBSD Hackers > Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader > > Please note that graphical loaders are not very serial console friendly ;-) > > -- > Andriy Gapon > > > Amen, and we have a whole lot of platforms that are only serial consoles (and 9600 baud at that). > Also, I like the letters instead of numbers for boot options, for those of us that have known for years that "s" is single user mode, "v" is verbose, etc.... This can hardly be an argument, because on serial consoles even the current full-screen implementation isn't friendly at all. One of the first things I always do is to disable beastie-start. As long as it is still based on ficl and can be disabled to get the traditional linemode I don't see a problem. -- B.Walter http://www.bwct.de Modbus/TCP Ethernet I/O Baugruppen, ARM basierte FreeBSD Rechner uvm.