Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:02:59 -0400 From: Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modernizing calendar(1) (was: svn commit: r365984 - head/usr.bin/calendar/calendars) Message-ID: <20201020160259.aha7xzw73ipndgco@mutt-hbsd> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfoDyOi_ppX_LENOKwoWJOgOzMUkMseHvB35%2BL=t0wsGow@mail.gmail.com> References: <20200923134334.czblcl2ppyxjnigs@mutt-hbsd> <CANCZdfpWcwt2gSF5m3_Z2DfBmURpk-UCeOfvFN8H_C8SQu_8WA@mail.gmail.com> <20201020035420.GA59361@eureka.lemis.com> <CANCZdfrbq54H2iCHqsD2B3_7KGOQ0AW-tY4%2BJ1irAJgrr4TdaA@mail.gmail.com> <20201020122844.terxqb75dyvb4zqc@mutt-hbsd> <CANCZdfoDyOi_ppX_LENOKwoWJOgOzMUkMseHvB35%2BL=t0wsGow@mail.gmail.com>
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--siqln3ognil72mfm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:00:06AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 6:28 AM Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> wro= te: >=20 > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:46:56PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:54 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This discussion, from a month ago, seems to have died a death. Fir= st > > I'll > > > > summarize what imp@ says: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 9:18:27 -0600, Warner Losh wrot= e: > > > > > > > > > > 1. I'll do for calendar what I did for CTM. We'll split it out in= to > > its > > > > own > > > > > git repo. git filter-patch is straight-forward to use, but has a > > number > > > > of > > > > > caveats with the imperfect github mirror we have. I'll do it agai= nst > > the > > > > > beta cgit mirror and write up the process since I'm pretty sure > > people > > > > will > > > > > want to replicate it in the future. > > > > > 2. Delete the contentious bits (details to follow) > > > > > 3. Adjust the build (since calendar uses cpp to build up its > > databases) > > > > > 4. Prune the new repo to just the contentious bits into that repo > > (likely > > > > > under github.com/freebsd/calendar, like we've done for CTM and ot= her > > > > things) > > > > > 5. Create a port you can optionally install > > > > > 6. Adjust calendar to work when things are there (or not there) > > > > > 7. Remove the contentious bits from FreeBSD... > > > > > > > > This shows the procedural approach. But what do we really want? I > > > > think that we should agree that we don't want to remove functionali= ty, > > > > just bring things into the 21st century. As I see it, there are th= ree > > > > approaches: > > > > > > > > 1. Nobody cares enough about it, so leave it as it is. > > > > > > > > Given the lack of input on the subject, this might be the best > > > > choice. It's certainly the easiest. But it leaves a lot of dead > > > > wood and unbalanced and incorrect content. > > > > > > > > > > Nah, people want the crusty old files of it gone. Trust me. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Move the non-FreeBSD related stuff into a port. This is imp@'s > > > > approach above. As you can see, it's rather involved, and it se= ems > > > > to me that we shouldn't be doing this sort of thing until we've > > > > moved the project to git and the dust has settled. It also > > > > complicates maintenance, and it doesn't address the dead wood and > > > > dubious content. > > > > > > > > > > It's actually not all that involved. I've done it before for CTM and = it's > > > about 1/2 hour of work to pull all the history along. 0 hours of work= if > > > you don't care about the history. It actually goes hand in hand with = #3 > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Create a separate port that sucks in and maintains suitable > > > > calendar entries from *somewhere* and maintain a directory > > > > hierarchy, say /usr/local/calendar, in the same form as the curr= ent > > > > /usr/share/calendar. Modify the calendar(1) in the tree to look= at > > > > this hierarchy as well. /usr/share/calendar should remain for t= he > > > > few FreeBSD-related files (as far as I can tell, only > > > > calendar.freebsd). > > > > > > > > > > Yea, I think you're right. The FreeBSD one is the interesting bit to = the > > > project, and there's enough people that have .calendar files to make = it > > > interesting to stay in base. Were it not for this FreeBSD connection, > > maybe > > > it could just live entirely in ports. Calendar has been around since = 7th > > > Edition Unix, so there's history there as well, though that seems less > > > important these days. > > > > Note that the history of the calendar files is retained in the src > > repo, so nothing there is lost with regards to tracing the history > > to "back in old country." > > >=20 > It's trivial to extract, though... so there's no need to argue to have the > best of both worlds. >=20 > But the bigger point I'm making is that the calendar.freebsd file is more > central to the project and there has been a large desire expressed to keep > that bit in base. Yup yup. Agreed on all parts. :) --=20 Shawn Webb Cofounder / Security Engineer HardenedBSD GPG Key ID: 0xFF2E67A277F8E1FA GPG Key Fingerprint: D206 BB45 15E0 9C49 0CF9 3633 C85B 0AF8 AB23 0FB2 https://git-01.md.hardenedbsd.org/HardenedBSD/pubkeys/src/branch/master/Sha= wn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc --siqln3ognil72mfm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEA6TL67gupaZ9nzhT/y5nonf44foFAl+PCi8ACgkQ/y5nonf4 4fqX+Q//cBE3WeR9ZKBAlGpUHn2qdmhd3HIOq4LYjWmOHm1yq73dXcjtHkBlt8CR RDY43ynLb0IGGNxWhQUwuaWwNTgJfsy32uapZODyR45trR8nstAgQKXPq0gieLk9 ZJE6h3B2GvAijnpJtywqZ7X7mOm4Ux6e+NiVeDQkGAuFdJO0Wp534Wfe1Le6fRPo PL2b8pMrmG0AeSkukx1WAuaOwuGl0WB8Ysez1rbi1Md0NLycJgufcqIPesWCqYUJ 34JeSpbYSONsqz6C+Jxpqdh4e75jZG8yW3YQHCp9awdzi5BtenUzPDbd8jHaVJ3x uqM7tcGuMC1DlbPwBfE3LyAdFXSTK9sZVSJG4sFNJzrb67P//AH4w77ws1KoCel6 pV6haDgmROAUqblcv9yqrKP8YswQQF6jJUQBPAANMyA/dvEUjI7knQqpSxNzGyDn qEaNVrWGvLzdW3gutAZ+fsuPiMpRqfhy9zr62PPQdV+1ySnPksiDGrdgX4UW4B+7 j4Hj7UnVa+SXlNX0MG0vYps+ZRkHQ7TRS6WqJjSxg0h+XNnV+Vy+qlFgZG9MnhGr 5kLgEnysXPPAsfuBWAKlGlChrhSgEpJBMzT9801vbmMUgAkGvx26qJo4uGMDTO/N QJk04C1F4kHzPSNSQHHNWjj/4pndy/wNK9z75cQ8S9z39PXdFfg= =Hucw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --siqln3ognil72mfm--
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