From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 11 20:56:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB1916A4CE for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7BF43D45 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1BKu2fZ016024; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> References: <649200329.20050211081852@wanadoo.fr> <621dabed4fc2996ae4cb3a2929d6842c@chrononomicon.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:56:01 -0500 To: Bart Silverstrim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:56:06 -0000 At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote: >Just to sum up things as I understand it... > >People want to change the logo from Beastie to something else >because Beastie isn't professional enough, so some committers >decided to hold a contest for a new logo? We thought it would be nice, after fifteen years, to see if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo. We thought it would be nice to reward people with a minor amount of money as a prize. >Out of curiosity, is Beastie so terrible, a logo, that a business >would be stupid enough to base their server decisions based on it? Businesses are stupid. People who demand dedicated allegiance to one single cartoon image are just as stupid. Both are facts, and neither is a late-breaking news item. >Someone said people change logos all the time. That's flat out >wrong. When a company spends mucho dinero on marketing their >logo, they don't just flip around and decide to change their >logo that they spent so much money and time getting mindshare >with. Have any examples of logos that have constantly changed? We do constantly see companies change their logo. That is not the same thing as saying any *one* company is constantly changing *its* logo. Apple has changed its logo. AT&T changed its logo several times. GE recently changed its one-line motto. At one point, McDonalds rebuilt every one of their stores from the old "golden-arches" look to the newer "family restaurant" look -- and that cost a hell of a lot more than any logo change. Right now we're working with an image that was picked 15 years ago for a very small open-source project. We now claim to be several orders of magnitude larger than that. I doubt there is *any* company who has stuck with it's original logo as it went from "five guys running a hobby" to "millions of users". >Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and >not by commercial matters, suddenly gain a marketing department >that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? Is >FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of >technology dictate marketing? Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo. Others would not. The vast majority probably do not care at all. Somehow the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow irrelevant. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu