From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 27 19:05:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6381B4ED3 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47NVbG33Rdz4QjZ for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.99.44]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MkYg4-1i5ggJ0Kp4-00m7SH; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:05:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:05:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 12.1-STABLE r354923 snapshot install doesn't like manual ufs setup Message-Id: <20191127200520.118abaa4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20191127163633.GD75104@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <20191127033739.GB75104@bastion.zyxst.net> <20191127131609.e69ab03c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191127155224.GC75104@bastion.zyxst.net> <20191127171053.0b2f38b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191127163633.GD75104@bastion.zyxst.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ppjiIQudHTwCx2nnqDI624x38nRLOfrsxkpC4g1wk8DUaYQIOLp 4kP9W9IDkDiNJGiab2fjIQEL71gJvZBog9gfMYxIl2l/aZL8QtxOzcjRUr93VTKVui8ijzv iDs2pLEFJv5tt4qiKPi8OoZLbmRTH8kIob0nhE6cHVAvHz+sgdUGDxpoxdV6sgWcO+yYBwz C3lamIfQjnJRa6t9XG4YQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:PvSNwvKAIIA=:r2y90n2R4Hk0B66Le48nVQ px2XrDh2531jn3ShZZTI0Gu+/4v1129uuQRXrREIzZdXvRKRGy1KSA71DLDD99YQL03umzzeN /78fQAc2cku2zp5Yiptc52DLwnZbjam3MHN6w87xmoRCl1Ih6CrPMEW3DryGZ5p4vqqIMGk1m +H7/+vy0ZQ+TI8tdYnEUFah9xSIcc+x/JqNT6LJz0zge/963W8T+mk+ZniPpqLZNIE4TP1dad v2Y/Wsv1WQEf5MS6W72Eo+WVE7lYyW/awFajflVdTsIVSRhcyaVdnaE5SjuJt39fm/RigG2nh xbGqVQsqDS3UMVy6EYk2lEMDUyiymfJ1jfsISs92D83FbIxMYPhMTpcDT+Lyb9yF5iugJUDiF reaFMjjtUa1u1djhCge/A0Og4kuCcS07/uSdnO6LmHM7A+7aXczbiEZ1410OH8IH2l/8K1VM9 QCPE3gNWHEpuTYp+gIRqQTlg0wJ7psNGU6HWQ6cqbitgxEEiIDaNYbOtDTwJCwfpmP5f4XN0i IM/05xiV4a08vFddO7H/SVQQtvMUOy+4tl+lGlVnk/KyVPjXl+A6hI3TFEGlnkf7e1diraNRF zeQdtz8LMBElOgtd+oW1ROSMVM02dcJuUwSOwMt0iw4b12dBkyUKxNaxS5CB4Jszo47c/I4Zu huFZwZKnKlcuKLvf5KJ6VHXD8YxFxeLoppX4EriTn5iwM3rqwv30Etm1zM77ceEXE+D+4mS4i 6VS3DF98OOxiRFhQOKuiqq+SWVW/WAnXYy+x6H2qUITyQd5ycc1fLx2+d0lMKJjnDZ8RA7n7l TVDDn/U8Z4RhbkEzzvjU+tcdD0dXcdBLzNiFmdHbpv16ytvRT+lW7sUFOzkyUUgoSH1uIxuJV Ywp176lXnXT0iPLj7h8w== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47NVbG33Rdz4QjZ X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.73 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[44.99.102.188.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.969,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.992,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[ip: (-0.65), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.25), asn: 8560(2.29), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:05:31 -0000 On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:36:33 +0000, tech-lists wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 05:10:26PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > >Yes, there are several things you can do to optimize for SSD use. > >Part of it is custom newfs options, but if I remember correctly, > >bsdinstall doesn't allow you to add those - you'll need to use > >the shell to run newfs with the desired options manually, at least > >that's what I tend to do. :-) > > Trim is selectable under [selected partition] -> options of the manual ufs > partitioning section of bsdinstall in the r354923 snapshot I used. Well, that is correct, but there may be other options you _might_ want to customize for a SSD - with no dialog equivalent in bsdinstall, in this case, stuff listed in "man newfs". > Regardless, my basic tenet still stands. If it's there as an option, it should > work. I think it's reasonable to think having it there and not work is broken > by most people's definition. Yes, I fully agree with this reasoning. It's a good help, but it should not be _required_ to get something standard working. The only thing I could imagine in your situation is that you somehow (and I have absolutely no idea _how_ this could be possible) that you forgot some step during installation definition. It's typical for the installation process to overwrite anything it finds on the disk, so if a normal way of booting (here: MBR standard boot record for first slice, "a" partition) has been selected, all the required parts should be there. Of course the kernel also should have been placed into /boot (on the / partition where the process mentioned above will lead to). > The fact that there's an alternative manual way > is good, but immaterial in the context. Having it there and not work is not a > good look for what could be a users first encounter with FreeBSD, nevermind > someone like myself who has been using FreeBSD for over two decades. Definitely true. This will probably require some further testing and exact monitoring of the steps you do. If it is a problem in 12.1-STABLE, it's surely due to a fix. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...