Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:28:57 -0700 From: Pedro Giffuni <pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> To: Michael Bielicki <Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com> Cc: Christoph Haas <haas@willi.lion.de>, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Commercial vendors registry Message-ID: <33528579.2327@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> References: <199704140313.WAA07958@argus> <Pine.SOL.3.96.970414105117.27936B-100000@willi> <19970414132007.50670@linkdesign.com>
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I agree with Michael. I would like to see a web page with: 1) The results of the POSIX compliance test distributed by NIST (actually a pretty long file). 2) A hardware compatibility list 3) A list of commercial appl. for FreeBSD with links to their web pages, and/or contact information. Trial versions if possible, although this are usually included in the CD. 4) A list of the commercial applications for SCO that have been reported tested with FreeBSD.(AFAIK Oracle already runs). 5) A list similar to (4) with Linux app. 6) Maybe even a posting board of "wanted" software where users say what type of applications they would buy. Pedro. Michael Bielicki wrote: > > Hmmm, some kind of Tortilla Flat here ??? > Definitely :-) > anyway, christoph I find your Idea and action perfect and would have one basic > question: > > Would you add a description where FreeBSD differs from the basic BSD stuff ?? > > Would you add a description how far posix support goes ?? > > These are the two questions I have been asked all the time when I suggested > FreeBSD as a commercial platform. The problem is not only on the development > side but also on the sales side. As long as I cannot tell my customer that his > SCO based Oracle will run perfectly on FreeBSD and that I will be able to give > him this guarantee on paper he will not even dream about moving to FreeBSD. > > As long as the commercial customers don't like FreeBSD I have difficulties in > pushing commercial vendors to develop drivers. > > I work a lot with development companies for things like network drivers, > PSTN over the Internet etc... and none of them treats this stuff seriously. > I tried to get TokenRing drivers from a lot of companies and was even ready to pay up to 1500 Bucks for the driver only. No chance. > > I know that you guys here are not very in the legacy market, but simnce SNA > counts for 65 Billion US$ only in Europe and the Middle East I am very > much in it :)) > > And there the bullshit starts. Most customers I have would be happy to use FreeBSD as there gateway to the Internet. Support for SSH does a lot, and the > Filtering alias and NAT features are perfect. Stability is an argument too. > But, to get support for tn5250 I would have to write my own cause none of the > vendors supplies one for freebsd. Hmmm gosh, I can get one for 99US$ fo r Windows > and use it for them with WInGate. How the hell should I explain this to a customer? > > BTW, the same applies to BSDI so FreeBSD is not alone here, but IMHO if this > is going to be a commercial platform, give some incentives to the development > guys and stop talking like this list would be the clue to everything. > > No developer will even look at this stuff as long as there is no professional > support and no ass to kick if something does not work. I don't see > the commercial guys risking their ass to convince a customer to use FreeBSD > > Cheers > > Michael > > -- > Michael Bielicki > Link Design International Ltd. Buisnetco Telecommunications Ltd. > 65 Cliff Road, Tramore, Office 23, 13, Iras Street > Co. Waterford, Ireland Nicosia 1061, Rep. of Cyprus > Tel: +353-51-390880 We use FreeBSD Tel: +357 2 362 421 > Fax: +353 51 386921 http://www.linkdesign.com Fax: +357 2 362 429 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature
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