From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 25 12:55:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1A716A4B3 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demos.bsdclusters.com (demos.bsdclusters.com [69.55.225.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861A643FA3 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmacy@fsmware.com) Received: from demos.bsdclusters.com (demos [69.55.225.36]) h9PJtQKI076605; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmacy@fsmware.com) Received: from localhost (kmacy@localhost)h9PJtQ5Y076600; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: demos.bsdclusters.com: kmacy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kip Macy X-X-Sender: kmacy@demos.bsdclusters.com To: Marcel Moolenaar In-Reply-To: <20031025194135.GA790@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Message-ID: <20031025124518.F41344@demos.bsdclusters.com> References: <200310230143.32244.wes@softweyr.com> <20031025175948.GF683@funkthat.com> <20031025194135.GA790@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: John-Mark Gurney Subject: Re: FreeBSD mail list etiquette X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:55:28 -0000 > There is also a problem in that the dirty work, even if done in a > way that demonstrates that the person has skills, is not always > recognised as important. The recognition has to come from within > that part of the developer community that has commit bits, because > you need someone with a commit bit to actually commit the stuff. If > noone with a commit bit recorgnises the dirty work as important, > it's not going to be committed and the person who has done the dirty > work is not recognised as someone who is worthy of a commit bit > because none of his work has been committed. > I think this perfectly underscores, if not restates, Terry's point. He doesn't believe sufficient value is placed on the "dirty work". The following will sound as if it were intended to be ironic, but it isn't. Those working in the DragonFly tree, all appreciate Hiten's hard work as a "bottle-washer". We've benefited from the fact that members of the FreeBSD community, through racist remarks and endless flames, and a key member of core, through the indefinite postponement of a commit-bit, have alienated him. Thus providing us with a, perhaps small, but nonetheless, valuable resource. -Kip