From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Mar 7 8:19:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from central.cnet.com (central.cnet.com [204.162.81.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EB837B718 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephens@cnet.com) Received: from stephenstest2k.cnet.com (25.73.10.10.nat.cnet.com [10.10.73.25]) by central.cnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26997; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:18:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307081008.00b9d018@cnet10.cnet.com> X-Sender: stephens@cnet10.cnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:17:33 -0800 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Wes Peters" From: Stephen Shankland Subject: RE: Maxtor picks Windows, dumps open source Cc: In-Reply-To: <001f01c0a61b$fbbbf1a0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <3AA42B11.9EE89750@dobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for all the e-mail, folks. The predecessor that used FreeBSD was the 3000 and 4000 models, not an unshipped 4100. The file system issue, as explained further by Wilkins in a follow-up e-mail: "In answer to your question..., the file system we use with our operating system on the NAS 3000 and NAS 4000 is FFS. With respect to the 2GB file size limitation I mentioned, that was a result of our implementation rather than the file system itself. "The reason for moving to a NAS Powered by Windows operating system was the level of interoperability and manageability that comes with Win2k core. This leaves our software resources able to focus on the things that we do best rather than trying to emulate an NT or Win2K environment." Regarding News sites' profit motive and the link to sensationalism, I called the story like I saw it. Of course we write stories in an attempt to catch people's interest. News sites would be pretty dull if we didn't try to write about things that we believe people would find interesting. sts At 01:01 AM 3/6/2001 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >What I found most interesting was that according to Maxtor, >this product is brand-new, thus it's never been touched by a >customer before. It would have been more impressive if they >had released this product onto the market with FreeBSD on it, >and then withdrew it later. If that was the case, their >competence with FreeBSD would give some credibility to their >statements. > >However, as it stands now with this product, Maxtor has proved >neither competence with FreeBSD, nor competence with Windows 2000. >All they have shown is that they have been competent in >using the threat of FreeBSD to extract additional licensing >concessions from Microsoft. At this time I don't even see >any proof that they were even running FreeBSD on their product. > >Rather than a denoucement of FreeBSD, if you read between the lines >you will see that this is actually quite a feather in FreeBSD's >cap. The story headline would have been more accurately written: > >"Microsoft gives up Client Licensing revenue to keep Maxtor >from using FreeBSD on their new storage product" > >Then, all you would have had to do was reorder the quotes in >the article so that Mr. Wilkin's comments about being the >first licensee to get free CAL on Win2K were first, and Mr. >Wilkin's quotes about FreeBSD not supporting such and such >were last, and the article would have fitted the headline >perfectly. > >Don't forget that Cnet is a profit-making business and >has no choice but to write the article in such a manner as >to gain the most interest. People are tired of reading >articles titled "Microsoft this" and "Microsoft that" >they want to read about the alternatives to Microsoft. >This story was headlined as a FreeBSD story, not a >Microsoft story, even though it's really just another story >about Microsoft wheeling and dealing. > >Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Wes Peters >>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM >>To: stephens@cnet.com >>Subject: Re: Maxtor picks Windows, dumps open source >> >> >>So how do I got about rebutting the flat-out lies perpetrated by Mr. >>Wilkins in your article, on behalf of the FreeBSD Project? >> >>FreeBSD has always supported files and disk volumes of 2^63 bytes, far >>larger than anything made by Maxtor or supported by the NTFS filesystem. >>It provides open-source server software for both AppleTalk and NetWare >>file and printer sharing, enterprise backup management from Veritas, >>and network managment via the standard SNMP protocol. >> >>-- >> "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" >> >>Wes Peters >>System Architect >>http://www.dobox.com/ >> DoBox Inc. >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> Stephen Shankland reporter, CNET News.com phone: 415-364-8406 email: stephens@cnet.com Yahoo Instant Messenger: stshank mailing address: 150 Chestnut St., San Francisco, CA 94111 street address: 1160 Battery St., third floor, San Francisco, CA 94111 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message