From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 21:11:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA8C16A4CE for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bofh.cns.ualberta.ca (bofh.cns.ualberta.ca [129.128.11.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68C1543D53 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca) Received: (qmail 9824 invoked by uid 12187); 19 Mar 2005 21:11:50 -0000 Resent-From: beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:11:50 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <20050319211150.GK22961@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Resent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:02:05 -0700 From: Bob Beck To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20050319210205.GI22961@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Scott Long , Adam , Theo de Raadt , misc@openbsd.org References: <200503191743.j2JHhW1u024795@cvs.openbsd.org> <423C7EB1.9060704@samsco.org> <423C86A6.5020203@samsco.org> <20050319203016.GF22961@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <423C8BFF.6060500@samsco.org> <20050319203712.GG22961@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> <423C8FF9.3020808@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <423C8FF9.3020808@samsco.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Bob Beck cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: Adam cc: Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:52 -0000 > Sorry, I got suckered into a side argument about why the kernel driver > in OpenBSD sucks. Yes, the management app is closed, but the driver is > open. And if the OpenBSD driver sucks and people want it to stop > crashing and don't want to go beating their heads against the wall at > Adaptec asking for driver specs, then they are welcome to come ask me > for info. My point is that I'm offering direct help in this area. My > suspicion is that political goals are more important than making the > driver work. > A driver without the management portion of it is really crippled, it's incomplete, at that point, why run it? you're just asking to get hosed at the wrong time. While I appreciate the offer to help fix the half driver, we need the other half for it to be really something we should be including in GENERIC and telling users they should buy and run -Bob