From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 11 02:43:27 2009 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B50B1065672 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C01358FC13 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 94625 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2009 02:43:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1255229006; bh=VRTQxp1O7v+XQQgF2tET8mC3WXbMzFOvOlGa3Bft6Os=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=esgx3+cfi9f0TRd1sQybzMAVRI/QbiAefNZwM5e7xDZurG14WXrq6fKz0BIVchw/qcloVO4pETAuOK/Tow7uizMT7BOtTqlHk1T7y93VXQr/15mV7JGdsRBUPFn0WmuThW1gYI3lKjfDLwCw0xb9gjVHCGQPIqTRmMNqJ47ABWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hZgUgm9HlQkA7gra/xBXKGLLp61W2gEcYsH9Kw1jfnVaOR9KukVsQ68NH753hN9EU8sn1JxAbgOgRHQwnv5jJ0dQznXFN0NotMZe3Tf4Jn71V5V+Dhe8sts35hvQEdxx4zSZmMFguWWucCwm97eF6EiEgfg8w0UjnMlLhEUlQlI=; Message-ID: <59022.94044.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2FpqxyQVM1knYDizHEgCxu0IPVeyWAjbCFaQRj_v3EMiQexGUGkqlT1hhJo8kWtji7_9y4fWQR3fa.ZnpejxQ1ECjutxa0eFSbmE8mDXfZFBS9be7m5qFHrVC0n4Z5nRPQLlIoHtl7Wr_F6kqBeB1eZcHZiHHeOjSKRriBneeHcTulo0Q1fIxDgORvVuG5u4EAHpKcbttxBzdJmLzzuoAXJ1hqbfPcFZrOT3mzUj9z5a1cLdqhl8uRijQ_EfNOh9D4Nh0rJM7WYlpPNzRRQEJYPWKYl5KO7b8b2TRgtwumeEYuv30zgCgMQDXb2jx_UKp7aPHkidGlAka185_W_fS98pjTNr3Joa6T9cMB.Y8TuzfQ4gQ4cC36kgAxuIoZmO1PlgBbxjQGXRZl1iEAB9psjGkrxEiHCEAqN_SMI- Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein <mahlerrd@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD-Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:43:27 -0000 --- On Sat, 10/10/09, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> wrote: >From: RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> >Subject: Re: / almost out of space just after installation >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 8:43 PM > >On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) >Richard Mahlerwein <mahlerrd@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> The only time I can >> really think I'd want /tmp to be in RAM is if I already had too much >> RAM for the needs of the box - otherwise, just give me the RAM... > >But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer >that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It >would probably be tmpfs. Correction (or at least correction to precision) noted.=A0 I'd still rather= use it as RAM the regular way.=A0 :) >> While I'm reasonably happy rolling my own FS sizes, I would be even >> happier if I didn't have to.=A0 As long as we're doing the wish list, >> I'd guess for this (all numbers significantly flexible): >>=20 >> Drive < 16 GB =3D keep current layout? >>=20 >> Drive > 16 and < 40 GB =3D=20 >> / =3D 1 GB >> swap =3D 1.5x RAM=20 >> /tmp =3D 2 GB >> /var =3D 2 GB >> /usr =3D remaining space > >2 GB each for /var and /tmp is far too high for such=A0 small disks, I >wouldn't want to squander 4GB like that much below a TB. It's a figure >that's hardly ever going to be "about right" either for /tmp or /var, >when it isn't far too big, it's likely to be too small. So, your opinion is that if 768 MB (or 512 MB, or 1G, whatever) isn't enoug= h, then it's likely that 2 GB also isn't enough?=A0 That those who need mor= e than the default /var and /tmp often (or usually) need a LOT more?=A0 Rea= sonable, and I am not sure I could disagree with that completely. =A0=20 I was approaching it from perhaps a slightly different tack, though.=A0 Wha= t I was thinking of was of defaults for people who will use the defaults.= =A0 Someone running=A0 a mail server is unlikely to use the defaults, and y= ou are completely correct that they'd need a lot more space in /var.=A0 But= , average Joe may just use it for fiddling around with.=A0 Maybe one day he= 'll start fiddling with MySQL or perhaps even trying to partially or comple= tely host his own email.=A0 I'd like him, with his 250 GB drive, to have en= ough space to at least play with that for a while without worrying overly m= uch about running out of room or having to move DB files or something. For that matter, I wonder if the solution for those sorts is to make a 'sim= ple' mode that does swap and one big partition for everything else?=A0=A0 O= r make 'auto' do that, and let everyone else use their own sizes? Thinking out loud here: What if 'auto' did one big /, and 'advanced' only l= aid in the partitions without sizes at all, then for each you'd have to jus= t tell it how big to make it.=A0 A special option would be on the /home one= , which would be to symlink it to /usr/home.=A0 Not that this would happen = any time soon - that code doesn't look to be easily convertable to somethig= n like this.=20 >> Drive > 40 GB =3D=20 >> / =3D 1 GB >> swap =3D 1.5x RAM=20 >> /tmp =3D 2 GB >> /var =3D 2 GB >> /usr =3D 1/2 of remaining space, min 20 GB, max 35 GB >> /home =3D everything else. > > >Having a home directory separate from /usr is often a good idea, but >making it part of the default install is a really bad idea IMO.=20 > >A desktop user with a largish disk may want=A0 98% of it >under /home, a server may need next to nothing under /home. The amount >needed for /usr also varies enormously. I had been assuming that someone setting up a server was unlikely to accept= the default 'a'uto sizes and would have rolled their own.=A0 Under the sch= eme I had above, the desktop user with a large disk - say 1 TB - would have= ended up with 1TB - (1 GB / + ~4 GB swap + 2 GB /var + 2 GB /tmp + 35 GB /= usr) =3D about 950 GB in /home.=A0 (Or, well, that'd be what, 870MB out of = 925MB or something?)=20 A server with that same drive would likely never have had the 'a' key press= ed inside disklabel.=20 >It's so hard to come-up with sensible values that the only sensible >thing to do is leave them on the same partition by default. It's not >exactly rocket science to add your own /home partition. I do agree to some extent.=A0 On the other hand, what's the 'a'uto key do n= ow?=A0 / seems a bit small, notice the OP's subject?=A0 I've never had this= problem, though...=20 Hmm.=A0 All food for thought.=A0=20 =0A=0A=0A