From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 27 16: 5: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D707337B403 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7RN4is50942; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:04:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B8AC358.3020303@yahoo.com> References: <3B89DF04.F6A250F9@elischer.org> <66544.998934042@critter> <20010827133112.B79584@rand.tgd.net> <3B8AB039.7090705@yahoo.com> <20010827134902.A80313@rand.tgd.net> <3B8AC358.3020303@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:04:40 -0400 To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up! Cc: Sean Chittenden , Poul-Henning Kamp , Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 5:02 PM -0500 8/27/01, Jim Bryant wrote: >Garance A Drosihn wrote: >>We can't just keep pushing back the release date because "some >>very important enhancements" could be made. It will ALWAYS be >>true that there are more "very important enhancements" on >>the horizon, and you can't keep running after those. You have >>to pick some point, and stick to that point, and "ship" at that >>point. As long as current is known to be in rapid flux, most > >I'm glad you support integration of KSE then... As I recall such >threading was in the original design specs for 5.0, as released >when work on 5.0 began. I'm disappointed that you completely misunderstood what I intended to say in the above. My point is that sometimes you have to stick to a "ship date" because you have to stick to that date, and not because you stick to some list of features that you'd like to see. The longer you let ship-dates slip, the longer you end up without a release-quality product. I think a lot of good work has gone into the current cut at KSE support, and I certainly hope it goes in. However, there are a number of other factors to consider. The right way to get KSE in 5.0 is to help do the work which is necessary for that to happen, and not to deliberately misquote people -- as you are pretty clearly doing in the above. What I explicitly said in the above message (and which you explicitly deleted) was that KSE should wait for a later release if the remaining work is not done. If you have some other opinion, that is fine, but do not reword *my* opinion to claim that I agree completely with your opinion. Julian did a lot of good work, all he needs is a few more developers to help test that work. None of us need a thread arguing about release dates vs some goals set two years ago. I "support" the integration of KSE in the sense that I intend to help test it (on a dual-CPU i386) sometime in the next week. I do not support a delay of "5.0". I can not test on Alpha, as I have no Alpha machines. Anyone who wants to prove their support for KSE in 5.0 should step up and offer to do some of the testing, etc. Actions will speak louder than any (misquoted) words. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message