From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Feb 9 08:49:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462B4CD74EE for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@krion.cc) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064A1B00 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@krion.cc) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1CFA0CD74ED; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF36CD74EC for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@krion.cc) Received: from mail-wr0-x235.google.com (mail-wr0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FAB11AFF for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@krion.cc) Received: by mail-wr0-x235.google.com with SMTP id i10so78543480wrb.0 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:49:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krion-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=XS2IsNdzVNGdGZHbo3iKbMtZvMQSbUaV7ZA1B5rqL0Y=; b=zqxvd/a8kwII+xnAIvWBpg5aYAQ2VKFUl76gBO0QVtljelHrO7v8XNBp1tXAPetL7O GNoEa0ZKwF6LmHrqPYQuOxqgCZb6JuRMXaWr6QpYMDhrwcwtPdoqUgiff/6M3zss284I d4+LdZUaX4pXmiSjmkD7+WqqnJakgAv6QV0FszzWVspFRc1k1pVYcGPCk1AMoWdjJhJc GnMtPwb4msWw7dV+k2J7t7WX6sW5Yapc4sz9+SOx2EXU4NZo1K/lmXktMrFyWPZCun5e RwO9uCVERNREME3y1+oO68+XkLFqe60DmCuOakQr0OCrj0zSGDyxDqjr/VM5AMVNmR5f 1pNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=XS2IsNdzVNGdGZHbo3iKbMtZvMQSbUaV7ZA1B5rqL0Y=; b=WHVOuUdqIjAEMmgWstMad2kxnK6Jcq2rIw7NJleJEUXUiLyFPDC7fzXHZspdOKeflP eszp3nhDZ99Wwt5hy1dSVQyCvFIZudBf7cD79zxI7RUwn5lR/LhaOEU9Kf/TCttOw2H6 n6wXvT3G8h0tiQUXl4OaTGyMtpwcwuvNjVqF/9a0rgD0nINVGwwFn48njQD6MKaOGisW jitWd0gXkZdnZpiCAlqOdbx5CFWVFuG4xVVpDYAU61Q4eUOHgYSNa5bew7XNaQU5jYcg Plz47V3rcNdS7U5ETnBS+8e+paj+Tv/NQchW54mN1+yNoo6pRmMrtQ7+8TpxFBgpTXnJ OL0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kKzq5iTe87UVI4DDR6VL5CzGddyQmFGUdg34d5W51RdE/mSjIxUrZ8u1OKKs2Xhg== X-Received: by 10.223.177.195 with SMTP id r3mr1702694wra.147.1486630174938; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from vein (krion.cc. [148.251.53.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m84sm7673287wmf.10.2017.02.09.00.49.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:49:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 09:49:24 +0100 From: Kirill Ponomarev To: list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <20170209084924.GA33265@vein> References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <20170208215052.GL87610@pol-server.leissner.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170208215052.GL87610@pol-server.leissner.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 08:49:37 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/08, list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:34:36PM -0500, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > > For those people (I'm one) long version lifespans and bug-free > > operation is a much bigger desideratum than winning the secret > > race (I presume there is some kind of secret race going on, since > > otherwise the crazy scheduling makes No Sense At All). I can't > > work out what the strategy for winning is, if there is a > > strategy, but I do know that it's not working. Linux has all > > but won already, and that's sickening. > >=20 > > I've been using the o/s since before v2 (I still have the cds) > > and have watched FreeBSD go from being the leading Unix on Intel > > boxes to all-but-dead. I don't know how to express how saddened > > I feel about that. >=20 > My feelings exactly. I've been a FreeBSD user and strong advocater > since around FreeBSD v1/v2. But the last few years the management > of FreeBSD has steered away from making the best server OS, and > instead focusing on ... what exactly? Your statement is based on what? > Making the ports system capable of handling a totally overwhelming > number of more or less meaningless ports of different versions and > flavours, and rolling/retiring the base releases at high speed just > to avoid drowning under the workload of keeping all those ports > functional? >=20 > Who needs/wants this evolution in a server OS? > (Linux already owns the desktop, let's not waste any time > discussing that regrettable fact.) >=20 > I'm sorry, and apologies to all great heroes doing all the > volunteer work on both FreeBSD base and the ports system, > but this is how I feel about what is going on with FreeBSD. >=20 > As I have never contributed to FreeBSD in any way, other than > promoting it to others, I don't have a say in the matter, nor > do I expect anyone to care about my view. But I'm just really, > really sad to follow what in my opinion is the slow demise of > FreeBSD. >=20 > Sorry about all the negativism. I don't understand all critics I see in this thread and in your mail, the fate of this project is all in your hands - try to contribute more, collaborate with developers more, give your ideas and proposals, think about its future and try to improve it, particiapte in FreeBSD conferences and workshops, read code and code. Rephrasing famous quote - if you judge something, you have no time to love it. K. --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEJCHRFhEAQujKni1pDyI9/LMCykUFAlicLREACgkQDyI9/LMC ykUBqggAnnvBqQ1bZWb87xWX33Zalc/quu3KU05CH9LuaUCs+UF5gLEtB2f07Hao SKqHJ13XluK/75kiP6LJECeeIfrvtLrXTZBmAT85j5+vDMoEl1XVZNceFw4xmKxB NFHDGogDzCdiHDw2SLUyv5FnUI+emtQv7l3kOnhF5amk1gjpPe0PjToEvm4FGiJb JgAR0vJMWC7aoXyNcBZrJ1cJt6+VQ09LpWkoQZ+Etz8P7akSvgdj08vjIsouXB+P RZ01BJqiLOSuydgJL18QVksXt2axlqnlq2L1470YHOyPa8RpVgEAR7NTp2Z+OR7n yGIJyyPj10r6wnS/vIxxk002vOJy5w== =pDyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4--