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Date:      Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com>
To:        imp@village.org (Warner Losh)
Cc:        dennis@et.htp.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Wanted: 100bT EISA ethernet recommendation
Message-ID:  <199507120754.AAA17441@gndrsh.aac.dev.com>
In-Reply-To: <199507120654.AAA00392@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Jul 12, 95 00:54:23 am

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> 
> While I do not wish to make a correction to this thread, might I
> suggest that people who are interested in this topic get the excellent
> books on the topic by MindShare, Inc.  I've read through the ISA
> System Architecture and the EISA System Architecture (at least part of
> it), and have found the books clear and accurate (well, at least self
> consistant).  I'm not sure if Rod would recommend them, but they seem

I would _highly_ recomend them, along with the new books on PCI
(just picked up the Third Edition of that one that covers PCI 2.1)
this week.  Infact the whole MindShare series should be in any
PC engineers libarary as a ``must have'' item.

> to be good, and would have cut this thread short since they go into
> all of this, as well as all the bus cycles, bus arbitration, memory
> systems, etc.  As someone who has traditionally been a little weak on
> PC hardware, I got lots of useful information from them.
> 
> >From reading them, I beleive that Rod is correct in his calculations,
> although they did seem to omit the memory refresh cycles that are
> stolen at least from the ISA bus (I'm not that far into the EISA book
> to know), but if I understood and recall correctly, they are << 1% of
> the bus bandwidth and can safely be ignored.
> 
> Anyway, if anybody else has seen/read these books and has an opinion,
> please let me know (and the list, if you think it relevant).

You got mine, they are the gold books of this stuff, a little late
for some one like me who was there before the first XT ever shipped,
but sure wish we had them back then!!

> On a related note:  Is there a good FAQ for this information?  And if
> so, does it include good references for the hardware issues involved?
> This stuff seems to come up often here and it would be nice to point
> people that are less than fully informed to such a FAQ.  Would save
> some small amount of bandwidth.

Unfortanetly no, there is not one that I know of.  Anyone else
out there know of one?  Someplace I have a list of reference
material I was trying to collect for the FreeBSD library, but
can't seem to find it, perhaps it is in my freefall account some
place :-(.

> 
> Warner
> 


-- 
Rod Grimes                                      rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com
Accurate Automation Company                 Reliable computers for FreeBSD



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