From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 16 16:58:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBBEE21F72 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay13.qsc.de (mailrelay13.qsc.de [212.99.187.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1DD98133A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay13.qsc.de; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:58:14 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-1-252.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.1.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46A003CBF9; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v8GGwCEi002968; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:58:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:58:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ian Smith Cc: Warren Block , "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restoring sc console look and feel with vt Message-Id: <20170916185812.0ccc21a1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20170917011446.F81507@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20170916020243.B81507@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20170915200315.289b3fdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20170917011446.F81507@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay13.qsc.de with 6F94168342F X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1323 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:58:18 -0000 On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 02:21:51 +1000 (EST), Ian Smith wrote: > Are you sure there's no way to use sc(4) with X on 10.3? The reason why I switched to vt was exactly that reason: with sc in place, X wouldn't start anymore. This happened at some point during the "updating trail" of 10.1 -> 10.3 with ports updated (via pkg). Something that worked for months suddenly stopped working, which always is a terrible experience. When I switched to vt in the loader, X worked again as it did before. > We saw lots > about getting proper console switching going (again) using vt and X on > the stable@ list on earlier 10.x, but I can't recall any details, since > sc still works fine on my 9.3 (amd64) system, where vt(4) first became > available, including proper suspend/resume support from ttyvN or from X. That is a different problem. Until you start X, sc works perfectly fine. Even in a setting where "sc + startx" is working, shutting down the X session or switching using e. g. Ctrl+Alt+F1 leaves you with a console that works, but without visible text ("blind console"). With vt, at least this problem is gone, even though the console now is visible only with the tiniest letters. > But that's using a much older X (and everything else), so I wouldn't > want to lend you any false hope at this stage .. Never touch a running system. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...