From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 10 07:19:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1121065672 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3853E157DC7; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FFBD753.6050105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:18:43 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120621 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Mitchell References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> <4FFB46A4.5050504@FreeBSD.org> <4FFB6D37.1040300@m5p.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB6D37.1040300@m5p.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:19:09 -0000 On 07/09/2012 16:45, George Mitchell wrote: > On 07/09/12 17:01, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 07/09/2012 06:45, Mark Blackman wrote: >> >>> Indeed, 'dig' and 'host' must be present and working as expected >>> in a minimally installed system. >> >> So if you don't like the versions that get imported, install bind-tools >> from ports. >> >> Doug >> > Doug, you are one of the people whose writings on the FreeBSD lists I > most respect. Thank you for the kind words. :) > But I think you are wrong about this one aspect of your > proposed change. To discover that "dig" is suddenly not in the base > FreeBSD system any more some day would be just about the worst > violation of the Principle of Least Astonishment for me in many > years. All flippancy aside, I understand what you're saying here. The problem is that we can't keep BIND in the base. Given that, we need to look at how best to handle the transition. Doug -- Change is hard.