From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 8 17:09:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21173BC for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87AA7257B for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r78H8trO097048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:08:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r78H8trO097048 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1375981735; bh=Q1t82FBHACNpZJ/HFWb3VhsbgEHDFqT9pRO2BSYpK7o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Thu,=2008=20Aug=202013=2018:08:54=20+0100|From:=20Matthew =20Seaman=20|To:=20freebsd-hacker s@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Discussing=20ideas=20or=20wish=20li st|References:=20<1375973693.6986.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3. yahoo.com>=20<1375976061.30215.7553799.0E22B6D0@webmail.messaginge ngine.com>=20<1375976213.30908.7565131.6911282E@webmail.messaginge ngine.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<1375976213.30908.7565131.6911282E@webma il.messagingengine.com>; b=DeZziW7Q8XM9qJjuYEN7Ifapru0Bmd7RFWH+Wykli9Z+B33L4XAHinWrrN6H1E3ht jX9LVdUMwT8xGLdugTvSvP+tV+ToOHAEurv/M/m+RFVYa5lnwxibWD8wPM5sENxazX wdBmwINGu/x8ZTWFimqcEjyKPqJvmhEkIMQehTiM= Message-ID: <5203D0A6.3090705@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 18:08:54 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Discussing ideas or wish list References: <1375973693.6986.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> <1375976061.30215.7553799.0E22B6D0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1375976213.30908.7565131.6911282E@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1375976213.30908.7565131.6911282E@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8FnU2O5kLnGoSahTTJf5waEHSMVVCRb3X" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 17:09:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --8FnU2O5kLnGoSahTTJf5waEHSMVVCRb3X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/08/2013 16:36, Mark Felder wrote: > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013, at 10:34, Mark Felder wrote: >> After the EoL of FreeBSD 8 (estimated June 30, 2015) the old package >> tools are scheduled to be removed from FreeBSD. This change will be >> MFC'd back to 9-STABLE and the release at that time (perhaps >> 9.4-RELEASE?) will not have the old pkg_* tools. This seems a bit odd = to >> happen in the middle of a series because of POLA, but we can't support= >> the old package tools forever and FreeBSD 9.1-9.3 will have given you >> plenty of opportunity to migrate to the new package format and ease th= e >> upgrade to FreeBSD 10.x. >> >=20 > Note this isn't set in stone. Watch the Roadmap on this page: >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng/CharterAndRoadMap Actually, that RoadMap is in dire need of updating. The OS release schedule got reworked after the RoadMap was written and the security incident and the consequent necessity of completely redesigning and rebuilding the pkgng package building system has added various delays too= =2E Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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