From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 20:48:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A1C16A418 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8923813C45D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7460471pyb for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0kEeok5pagMtRCL2BitXKWnp7HgRiKZrSAOGiHG5bC8=; b=vTQ8Ai82GSthuejwUDDFHiEV+KJbnLPo+uampCy9cIV5swoiKs8LaUIBqAr+PlNY0ujBuF4lZxwAkf6BeEtuZU+2l1b9FxuCoXadtS5rV3xk23cem0HIqlTemWDlBAvjDvW3yL3vl0vu1btXiO2NArwAJgybDCh9b7oNa98JMHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KsnT1CllWnqrIYE+wzjZSQLyj0OXzILkxqdqTy2DzT1umJ6EpFygy47//dEACAk5Jz6tfjvnTRhGOtfH7YN6mB+Qlgo72uQrLMFmVuRDaSd49VKPboW8Y8VRDiN2pJFqnwa3KlHh3YlRsRvAUMhgg8xcwMaS2hKyQhfKnmrbwPk= Received: by 10.65.242.7 with SMTP id u7mr9442636qbr.1196714880332; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm7252264qbq.2007.12.03.12.47.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:47:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47546B7D.1080603@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:47:57 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Groothuis References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> <475451F4.7040000@chuckr.org> <200712031206.13032.david@vizion2000.net> <47545ECA.9020507@FreeBSD.org> <475460A1.1030302@gmail.com> <20071203204143.GB42811@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20071203204143.GB42811@k7.mavetju> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:48:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 03:01:37PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> Now, stop this thread, stop the discussion, build something, and >>> come back, if you cannot code or produce something with whatever >>> you think the tree should be using, then .... *silence*. >> I know this will get me flamed but I wonder if any of the people who >> are saying just code it have ever worked at a level higher then being >> a coder and/or have taken sys. anany. in school. > > There are (at least) two things required for a mind-change: A design > (which you understand that is needed) and a proof of concept (which > people keep asking for). And that is what I keep saying... namely I am blanking my own ideas out as much as possible to get a good idea of what is needed.... premature changes carry much more risk then potential reward... the current goal is only do a pre-requirements gathering look at where we need to focus. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVGt9358R5LPuPvsRAvyWAJ43CjplLsDrg6y4EXemINFD+DhBKQCg3zzd JkX5npaNdlLji+8vMGJcA0E= =q5cM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----