From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 7 1:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC72A155B2 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA35246; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:14:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Message-ID: <005d01bee0ac$e423a2d0$c100000a@cfpower.com> Reply-To: "Eric A. Griff" From: "Eric A. Griff" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Bill Fumerola" , "Alex Zepeda" , "Mike Hoskins" , References: <4653.934011362@localhost> Subject: Re: advocacy site Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:14:31 -0400 Organization: CFPower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Jordan K. Hubbard To: Eric A. Griff Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard ; Bill Fumerola ; Alex Zepeda ; Mike Hoskins ; Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 3:36 AM Subject: Re: advocacy site > > Their enough $$ around to fund Coffee? =) > > You guys make even a big dent in this one and I'll buy you all the > coffee beans you want. :) > > - Jordan Problem is, we need more than a dent.. We need a couple of Major Players.. That may not be as hard as it sounds though.. They are all over the place.. All we need to do to get a running start, is a couple willing to run.. Ones with huge mailing lists, and lot of hits on there sites, that are vocal. Or promote to their various Alliance Partners (becoming a big word now). Writers watch these ones, cause they can get plenty of ideas to write one.. One thing, case in point, I noticed, are that platforms (middleware) that have built a large developer public support base tend to be there louder.. Seems a few of them lately have found this linux craze. Unfortunatly I haven't had time to watch a lot of them (mostly Allaire), though have watched them turn from a mediocre CD laying around the office, and a mediocre site, into a fast becomming hot spot. Partially cause of a good web strategy, and partially cause of their large public (free) forumns, and Libraries. I litterly hated CF ver 2.0.. 3.1 I still hated it, but it was tollerable.. I complained about a number of them to various people, and the forumns, and last fall, 4.0 fixed most (80%) of them.. Many were functionality, and server configerability issues. Another strategy they have is partnering w/others.. There is a large base tool for approaching them.. Again, hate to keep kicking this one out, though they are the largest Example Corporation doing Middleware now, that I have followed for some time, and watched there trend points.. I'm sure there are many more of these that could be worked on, and I'm sure there are a number of people reading this msg that could give as much detail about others... We need a lot of dynamic input stuff.. Making it easy for people to upload this info, and make it easy (browser based) to approve, and spit back out the results into the public.. Hate to quote M$ (I think it's their's), but "At the speed of Business" is a keyword.. If it's considerable work to do something simple, people just won't do it.. That's what bill gates built with point and click.. Executives move at the same speed... As do the sysadmin at the local ISP, and the user at home buying there new Toilet Paper Dispensor on store.yahoo.com.. Hehe. I wanna video of Chucky saying "Everythings done, so now where do you want to go today?". Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com setjmp Software Your source for custom 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. Suite 504 Utica, NY 13501 ICQ# 28146852 Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message