From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 9 16:38:35 2012 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F34FCF; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6582A8FC0A; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q99GcVTx032192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:38:31 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.103] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:38:31 -0500 Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <4EA5C2FF-ABFA-4BA6-95CA-8E722F91999E@fisglobal.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:38:28 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <F1B442D0-4260-4AC9-AF39-15A06DAB045A@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <B4A82131-4B11-4FE8-839B-FCC45C1D4445@fisglobal.com> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <D776ABE7-6C46-4C66-8C6E-159BCD61761F@fisglobal.com> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> <4EA5C2FF-ABFA-4BA6-95CA-8E722F91999E@fisglobal.com> To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-09_05:2012-10-09,2012-10-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: olli hauer <ohauer@gmx.de>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture <freebsd-arch.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-arch>, <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>, <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:38:35 -0000 On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 > On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >>=20 >>> =85Re-adding the list=85 >>>=20 >>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >>>=20 >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" on-scre= en is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that some keyboard= s may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but indeed "Delete" is w= orse because the implied connotation associated with the "Delete" key (_som= eone_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" will purge the menu from mem= ory). >>>>>=20 >>>>> I will play with keycodes. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad su= ggestion (read why below). >>>>>=20 >>>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather unfortunately= -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", "up-arrow", "down-arro= w", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: = it doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>>>=20 >>>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them i= nstead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those keys= are pressed). >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >>>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms (intel/a= ppel/ppc/sparc ...) >>>>=20 >>>> Anyway nice work :) >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >>>=20 >>> What does everybody think about space? >>>=20 >>> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by anything= else). >>=20 >> space usually doesn't mean backup to most users. It usually means go fo= rward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and there= fore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect. >>=20 >=20 > Ok, space is out. >=20 > *thinks* >=20 > Ok, "b for back" is out because "b" on the main menu is boot (even if not= highlighted -- see menu.rc keycode[1] and corresponding ascii(7), decimal = 'b' is 98). >=20 > Ok, space, any F# keys, any arrow keys, and backspace are also out. >=20 > Hmmm=85 >=20 > I'm looking at my keyboard and nothing really sticks out. >=20 > 'M' perhaps for "Back to [M]ain Menu" >=20 There is of course the obvious alternative=85 we have no keycode and the us= er just has to press "1" (that's always been an option). --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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