From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 12 19:43:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD3A106588C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:43:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369308FC0A for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BEF5081A for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: <21588.1336851805@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: yelp update ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:43:30 -0000 In message , Kevin Oberman wrote: >Work on Gnome3 has been on-going, but it is very Linux-centric and >things like devkit are central to it and very hard to port of FreeBSD. That is, quite certainly, unfortunate. >This is more of a fracturing of the user community. If you look at >Gnome3, it bears little resemblance to Gnome2. And the changes are >very much functional, not just cosmetic. The Gnome team (not the >FreeBSD one) decided that a standardized, non-modifiable look and feel >was needed by Gnome. That also is quite unfortunate. (I also am a fan of flexibility, as long as reasonably good defaults are avaiable for everything.) >As a result, Gnome3 offers little ability to modify the default >operation. Yecch. >They decided that minimizing (iconifying) windows was not >needed, so it's gone. Yecch again. (This alone would be enough to make _me_ never want to use Gnome3.) >Last I looked (which is not even close to >recently) they had removed almost all setting options from the >desktop. Much of the user community simply rebelled. Given everything you just described, I can well understand why. >Actually, a fix was submitted for this on April 28 and it has been >committed, so yelp has worked for me for a couple of weeks and for >everyone who updates their yelp. (I worked with Jody Caldwell to get >the PR submitted, but he submitted the one-line fix.) Hummm... well, I guss that somebhow I missed picking that up. Sorry. I really had thought that I had a fairly up-to-date ports tree, but maybe not quite up-to-date enough. >Note this this >was a one-line bug fix, not an upgrade to a development version of yelp. Yes. >I think two weeks after PR submission to commit is not all that bad. Agreed. Anyway, thanks for explaining the state of affairs vis-a-vis Gnome2/3. I really didn't know about any of that, and it's been quite enlightening. Regards, rfg