From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Fri May 18 23:41:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C081EE06AF; Fri, 18 May 2018 23:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx2.catspoiler.org (mx2.catspoiler.org [IPv6:2607:f740:16::d18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "amnesiac", Issuer "amnesiac" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2C806FD84; Fri, 18 May 2018 23:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gw.catspoiler.org ([76.212.85.177]) by mx2.catspoiler.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w4INhT5C040408 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 18 May 2018 23:43:31 GMT (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mousie.catspoiler.org (mousie.catspoiler.org [192.168.101.2]) by gw.catspoiler.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w4INfiAM013131 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2018 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver To: Warner Losh cc: Steve Kargl , Andreas Nilsson , FreeBSD X11 mailing list , Current FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3a5edc5c-3caa-830b-4bd9-53ff52feb8a7@freebsd.org> <20180518193009.GA88432@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Disposition: INLINE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 23:41:55 -0000 On 18 May, Warner Losh wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: >=20 >> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 09:14:24PM +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: >> > On Fri, May 18, 2018, 20:00 Niclas Zeising wrote= : >> > >> > > I propose that we remove the old drm2 driver (sys/dev/drm2) from >> > > FreeBSD. I suggest the driver is marked as deprecated in 11.x and >> > > removed from 12.0, as was done for other drivers recently. Some >> > > background and rationale: >> > > >> > > The drm2 driver was the original port of a KMS driver to FreeBSD. I= t >> > > was done by Konstantin Belousov to support Intel graphics cards, and >> > > later extended by Jean-S=E9bastien P=E9dron as well as Konstantin to= match >> > > what's in Linux 3.8. This included unstable support from Haswell, b= ut >> > > nothing newer than that. >> > > >> > > For quite some time now we have had the graphics/drm-stable-kmod and >> > > graphics/drm-next-kmods which provides support for modern AMD and In= tel >> > > graphics cards. These ports, together with the linuxkpi, or lkpi, h= as >> > > made it significantly easier to port and update our graphics drivers= . >> > > Further, these new drivers cover the same drivers as the old drm2 >> driver. >> > > >> > > What does the community think? Is there anyone still using the drm2 >> > > driver on 12-CURRENT? If so, what is preventing you from switching = to >> > > the port? >> > > >> > > Thank you >> > > Regards >> > > -- >> > > Niclas Zeising >> > > FreeBSD x11/graphics team >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@ >> freebsd.org" >> > > >> > >> > Sounds good ( deprecate resp remove ). It causes more confusion and >> > problems and it solves nothing. >> > >> >> Check the Makefiles >> >> % more /usr/ports/graphics/drm-next-kmod/Makefile >> >> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=3D amd64 >> ONLY_FOR_ARCHS_REASON=3D the new KMS components are only supported on a= md64 >> >> Not to ia32 friendly. >> >=20 > So do people use i386 for desktop? And need the latest KMS stuff? I use it on my Pentium-M laptop. I don't need the latest KMS stuff, but I do need X11 so that I can use a browser, vncviewer, and a few terminal windows. Falling back to VESA resolution would suck. It's currently running 11.0-STABLE. I'm planning on migrating everything over to 12.0 sometime after 12.0-RELEASE. I have one other i386-class machine, but it only needs a text console. Everything else here is amd64.