From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 10:28:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89DBA64 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [67.231.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9918D1030 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:28:13 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBB00403ML8EV00@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:28:04 +0200 From: Michelle Sullivan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 To: Daniel Kalchev Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> In-reply-to: <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:28:13 -0000 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > On 02.09.14 18:40, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> Time to rebuild everything from scratch I think - second time in a >> year.. I'm guessing my boss is going to tell me, use RPM, no wasting >> more time on it... only time will tell... you'll know the result if >> you see future posts and patches from me. > > You must really hate RPM, as pkg is trying to do essentially the same > for FreeBSD. :) You have no idea.... well you might, but not my level of hatred of it. > > > As others already mentioned, rebuilding production > environments/packages via cron jobs from moving target such as the > current ports three is not the best setup favoring 'stability'. I trigger a build when I need something (patch/new package etc) ... then it will continue trying to build until it gets a stable build across the entire tree... sometimes that takes weeks (and I only have 580 ports) > These things can and do fail sometimes. From your postings on this > thread I understand you are unhappy that your pkg_tools poudriere > jails were messed up. So are many others. > You see this is a problem... Change something in the core that screws over a working environment....not the way of an enterprise capable OS - reminds me of the pre v1.0 days of linux. > The switch is indeed a pain, but the direction is good. Progress is > part of evolution -- it knocks off some, and promotes others. Didn't say it wasn't good, what I'm saying was the way it was done is bad. > We will have to live with it. WhateverHat is not better. I can't comment on that - the entire org runs *Hat, I've spent the last 3 years showing the benefits of *BSD and now I feel completely betrayed because there is no chance of them changing, "You see it's not an Enterprise OS"... -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/