From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 17:24:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D681D14F638A; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C695C8F14C; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11A8017080; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:23:59 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Daniel Ebdrup , Oleksandr Tymoshenko , Michael Gmelin , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Niclas Zeising , Stefan Blachmann , FreeBSD Current , Steve Kargl , Vladimir Kondratyev Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Message-ID: <20190219172358.GB26499@lonesome.com> References: <77542747-D818-4A61-9D40-934A71D4EAEE@gmail.com> <201902191425.x1JEPWAw010741@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201902191425.x1JEPWAw010741@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C695C8F14C X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.79 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.6.222.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.soaustin.net]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.27)[ipnet: 18.220.0.0/14(0.06), asn: 16509(-1.34), country: US(-0.07)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.261,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.70)[-0.698,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.806,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:22:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:24:03 -0000 On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:25:32AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > We are certainly driving users away by our operation model If you want to help take up more support duties -- especially for aging hardware -- I doubt anyone would stop you. There is plenty of work to take up; just check Bugzilla. > This is not some leap forward for anyone Nonsense. > and definitely a slight step backwards for some, many, who knows, > I put it in the 1000s of users. Utter nonsense. Right now we see the the following case: "latest graphics fail to work on i386 laptops". I fail to believe that is more than a handful of users. mcl