From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 12 00:59:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2622B106566B for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.161.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090458FC14 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:59:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M5H00DXR9BOQH30@nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:59:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-11_04:2012-06-11, 2012-06-11, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1206110290 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <201206112335.q5BNZGPT029709@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:59:47 -0700 Message-id: <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com> References: <20120604110339.GA9426@equilibrium.bsdes.net> <4FD2D4CC.3080109@ateamsystems.com> <4FD35F67.4020007@hm.net.br> <4FD3629B.9060106@ateamsystems.com> <201206112335.q5BNZGPT029709@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> To: Dave Hayes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:59:55 -0000 Hi, Dave-- On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: [ ... ] > Do I have this wrong? Anyone see a problem with this picture? > What can we do to "just upgrade" in a safe fashion when we want to? Two things help tremendously: #1: Have working backups. If you run into a problem, roll back the system to a working state. If you cannot restore a working system easily, fix your backup solution until you can rollback easily. #2: Have a package-building box and test builds before installing new package builds to other boxes. Your downtime for upgrades to the rest of your boxes become minimized. Regards, -- -Chuck