From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 21:45:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B42E16A4CE for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:45:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7743D2D for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:45:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j2JLiqB1046400; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <423C9CDB.50709@samsco.org> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:42:51 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo de Raadt References: <200503192137.j2JLbRIK026873@cvs.openbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200503192137.j2JLbRIK026873@cvs.openbsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pooker.samsco.org cc: Bob Beck cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: Adam cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:45:44 -0000 Theo de Raadt wrote: >>What part of the FreeBSD AAC driver is closed, emcumbered, or otherwise >>non-free? > > > The bits that do management. > > Therefore, the bits that let it do what RAID controllers are meant to do. > > Can you fully operate an aac(4) card -- 100% of it's abilities, on a > FreeBSD machine, without using a binary only tool downloaded from the > Dell web site? > > Are you being obtuse on purpose? > > Why don't you admit it. FreeBSD relies on non-free binary code for > Adaptec raid management. Yes, I admit this. And people thank me all the time for it. > > You can't even put it onto a FreeBSD distribution CD. > > Why do you keep discussing the free stuff, and distracting everyone > from the non-free bits? > > Is it because you used to work for Adaptec? Are you paid to distract > people from the non-free code? No, but you're paranoid and refusing help. Scott