From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 5 05:59:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA13215 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13169 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (root@firix [10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01101 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:58:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uye18-000222C; Thu, 5 Sep 96 14:58 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA250488080; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:54:40 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199609051254.AA250488080@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: hackers-digest V1 #1436 To: kallio@cc.jyu.fi (Seppo Kallio) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:54:40 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers-digest@freebsd.org, dennis@etinc.com In-Reply-To: from "Seppo Kallio" at Sep 5, 96 09:24:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E-mail message from Seppo Kallio contained: > > From: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) > > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:00:17 -0400 > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux 96 (my impressions) > > > > >E-mail message from Dennis contained: > > >> > > >> You left out one big disadvantage. The Kernel implementation is a pile > > >> of crap, and that different combinations of drivers will yield almost random > > >> results in terms of reliability and stability. > > >> > > >> Just my impression. > > > > > >Shame that no one really cares about it. All the people want to see is that > > >it's so easy for newcommers. Just like Windows. In more than one aspect :) Careful with attributions. Dennis didn't say that; I did. > > How is Slackware so easy? Is there some difference. I think differences > are very small. Here people use DOS h/w, not Apple hardware because ALL > OTHER use DOS h/w, here people use Linux because ALL OTHERS use Linux. Pech g'habt. (for a want of a better English idiom; sorry) Slackware is easy for manual install (at leas was when I used it last time about 2 years ago.) OTOH, a manual install is something I do 0 times out of 10. Any 10. Yes, you could switch some packages off (if you have found the correct boot floppy) by hand editing configuration files (which weren't all in the same place). > > I think tehre is nothing bad if people select easy systems. I should > select Macintosh if I could, but when all others are using DOS h/w it is > stupid to be alone So, you're calling me stupid? Thank you, likewise. Jest aside, *easy* is a very subjective measure. Easy windows install is a nightmare for me because I can't easily push the config data from one central machine all over *automatically*. I have to edit the darn thing by hand. No scripts, see? But it's easy if it's your own personal machine because you don't have to learn any scripting. These things make the difference in perceived easiness of an OS. Inherently, there is nothing bad in using easy software, as long as it's easy for your needs. But claiming that something that's easy for you must be easy for me is plainly evil . And peer pressure is the worst means of influencing a decision. What did Emerson say about being a non conformist ... /Marino