From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 06:31:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7108535B2F7 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B66wD6wLgz4R4t for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.237.238]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M26n9-1jtgCP35Cb-002TRL; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:31:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:31:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Patryk Cisek Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-Id: <20200715083104.8137ec61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jhVMk/GTekwUx6YTkY2ApvrM0OZ63HUMa/l9TOh14ORJMELcV+e J7TrOMQSkq4sYj0vIyKbZHoGttYkAzGxq6JrAxKgeAghN2OzQ2rbApqjfJkaRvloZH36HO9 PWyh4f5+rgayh3utY1kw2uUSHRItIcbcaergRYjaI0oQOiip1RdyruK2qB9HfOVFotdzYXJ L7X9v8X+2oMEpTC9z5mNg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BwBH36kTDcU=:jKWbh+yjNxS2Zj1nPOfmoE IFMUC1rr1T6bQFLiQHkWbhOguxgaORjjA5GnqStS9XWHH2Q5xkeZXOzQOIAh+0i725Z0bRuFe wHvEfD5SK9S+de4up8k9K+odKuB0hYIAqYTjnjZlJ42iSzq+gTx2gv9yW4bnTAkVW3HYbYoY5 /xfnnJiNREQErJ2mFPnTLSC9YQDzxvHBN25P9dO+B9w2G8/zPdaxOAbzoBJ9GsPD2oDeWXwZ9 fqhcZwz816ZJ28WwCrpc3IsimVmslmAUfr5KTu5SH4bMhmTgwJ2zdXSNDDW9WKuJmNSal4xkT gbi46MysThkgk3ewmL8FUalty2sRyUVMg0wUo+TLCjmHoGGtU6hOI8yPjVpCIitU7GlwUbvhW u9fhiZbJM1sfkwfqYhmTdZop8MI1qcSqwo/WDcI2LcLYXldlDyL2JQI3BCAqIVSRCVUz6trlk i2Q7VscHCRKbBoMBIGYj9nhh59ZXJKNVphk8VQe/7G7408BTmldunZWHbI0dlADVxScHyJoW9 J8sylDzez/Yv3qsc2KabXBSO+8pz9FBNAaT+HIgImd+iLKW12YVPiZT4NrfzYskNadEoKBStP 2KcoUwB+5Olo8IXPoYU//EA7IN9Az/p4dD4Mgacn4ddnDsaUxYTyBqbfbzvig11CHGTzpZn0e +NcT1wfrmrsSfYuldB+txKPColAHovkDpuVpS9vORmuP9qAxawZOG+Gicnw+yx0Z8UgAIGvow 3e+zS+TjZgSV8cvjQojloILd76TstegpQsFh0YKU3aXogfrqjafj4cANieGorB025oRVN4Zd/ vG6VZYyFwgD10q9q+cL09rEnQfUAZRY/wC08Jphp6slKer1ebMHnP4wlvhq3jkeHJYN6hrg X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B66wD6wLgz4R4t X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.443]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.237.238:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.545]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.60)[0.598]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:10 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:16 +0000, Patryk Cisek wrote: > Saying that full blown server is the best > "real world" experience is a subjective -- and therefore false for many > people (including myself) -- opinion. In the long run, I intend to focus > on end-user experience running FreeBSD as a daily driver on their > laptops/workstations. There is another interesting option: The hardware of your laptop is powerful enough to run Linux as a hosting system, with FreeBSD running in a VM. This gives you the advantages of both worlds. :-) > And help resolving similar problems, that the one, > I'm having right now. This is, what interests me, thus for me this is > the most important use-case. I fully agree - (re)creating the ability to install and run FreeBSD on this specific hardware is definitely an interesting task. While I can say that "use a VM" is a solution that will usually work in all settings, having native support and a successful installation on hardware that isn't "too abnormal" would be great. There surely is a way to achieve this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...