From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Jan 21 20:52:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCD7EBA9C9 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 747327BF0F for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id f34so7406842ioi.13 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tozlLvKNHslStnxgpQe0y+wT8bUEPT47gVcDrqoru4w=; b=XbeRNPzLif1mw9MSJKzxoPN8DAYP4F1U7KyEw7MB35kr7FXwx3bdr10vfNA9OnON8k Iz5xHoN2vCUzIVzDSEISvBYzKNbIExRZ72Bj7e/IAznESYZCq7a364VyL/Y9zBJlqFsc T5cnXcr4rMG/aS+Dkfu+SYI5MaL7IcQwBrRuqdzY4vM+YyIEr5jFaFw6AMei0nmPh6Vo EyYt2NV4q7rRLZpUKvFhfqrMD954VbanKXUMB3OVWviIoWHVr3Lw2s5qBw44n30N3X4t odQklrEqHDtWMJKQHxVJOtLqN3abQlt28DbEgRbz6785wmxTSROMo/ZacMtf4eRdFUc5 ZqoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tozlLvKNHslStnxgpQe0y+wT8bUEPT47gVcDrqoru4w=; b=RV+kFMRjEz9HxENA/yUxoz4++O8q0+V3muomccjNTtXATKlQCyzl70RDERM2jfeUJY RPCEWHzUBH1fm1Gw8FnKqUT0h/VVYcoTHoZhbsZcQNsN2gk3mYGuPwp3+keTbn4FyR7O 4Gk1OZhWVKuOFhXWyJZ4qok/OH97dX2vIs8nOx3u3Il+ZCKIXwXa13L3ukU3G8fQWC0J Ese8pSoJ/U4tIpMVHXiT1Ttc0Jczf36f+V40WhfJEc9FJSwE60Cn2z6CqxvqUTWSuHxu poqw2pMr7EdR92yb5fK1V6lglNxCmnKVlII9B9KXv8oXTBWHZWixo9WIgLTQRQnxSHxu oVoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdcaOxaUmrL60sZT7yvwL+384WVyr3kdu85kFlAFgRKPeOAOAeb bEUBqNiJ1xsn//Ge9WZ2U0EBv2YP17nQ6sb67Ek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225vUIgqfTxuowT7B3xC54fCwYpMZoZEzgqnvpfqxJFAfNTsgXAPE/rwRWDZXx94ymj/HRF90JFCvjLqBUY3Khg= X-Received: by 10.107.134.76 with SMTP id i73mr5605715iod.29.1516567948809; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:52:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.69.12 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 12:52:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180120011710.05B9C156E7E7@mail.bitblocks.com> References: <03c972a8f098b1b547da690efaad771f@schema31.it> <20180120011710.05B9C156E7E7@mail.bitblocks.com> From: krad Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:52:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ancient FreeBSD update path To: Bakul Shah Cc: Andrea Brancatelli , freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:52:29 -0000 Back everything up. Forget about upgrading you are making your life harder. Do a ZFS install with BE's then port your apps. It will be quicker less prone to errors and you will end up with a better system in the end. If the system is a bit of a rats nest, then this would be the ideal time to document all its quirks, and tidy up. If it really is that hairy consider running the old applications in jails ontop of a new pristine OS build. If its on hardware consider new kit as well if its an important service, or consolidate it into a jail on something else. On 20 January 2018 at 01:16, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:28:41 +0100 Andrea Brancatelli < > abrancatelli@schema31.it> wrote: > Andrea Brancatelli writes: > > Hello guys. > > > > I have a couple of ancient FreeBSD install that I have to bring into > > this century (read either 10.4 or 11.1) :-) > > > > I'm talking about a FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p4 and a couple of FreeBSD > > 9.3-RELEASE-p53. > > > > What upgrade strategy would you suggest? > > > > Direct jump into the future (8 -> 11)? Progressive steps (8 -> 9 -> 10 > > -> 11)? Boiling water on the HDs? :-) > > > > Thanks, any suggestion in more than welcome. > > Incremental update will take a long time and if something gets > messed up in the middle, you will be much worse off. You may > also not find relevant packages any more for an EOLed release. > And you may have to solve problems that no longer exist on > newer packages. > > What I would do is to make a backup of everything, make a list > of installed packages and config files, and do a fresh install > of the latest release. Then get the critical packages working. > Then add others as needed. > > If possible do this on a separate machine so that you can > check config/program behavior on the original machine. When > you are satisfied, either switch to the other machine or copy > things back to the original. When one of my computers was > starting to fall apart, I did this with an inexpensive used > thinkpad. > > One more thing to consider: your ancient machine hardware may > need to be maintenance/repais/replacement. A fully > operational second (temporary) machine gives you a chance to > try to do maintenace such as remove dust and cat hair > carefully, check fans and replace them if needed, replace > disks if older than 4 years, etc. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >