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Date:      Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:58:25 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
Cc:        Doug Ambrisko <ambrisko@ambrisko.com>, Archie Cobbs <archie@dellroad.org>, "Peter J. Blok" <Peter.Blok@inter.NL.net>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: vlan traffic over ipsec tunnel
Message-ID:  <3CC084F1.1951442A@mindspring.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0204191318510.8266-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>

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Julian Elischer wrote:
> > Would imply it should just work to bridge vlan's via netgraph bridging.
> > As Archie said I have not tested this to prove how it does or does not
> > work since I haven't had a need to try it.
> 
> I don't know, but it may have problems setting promiscuous mode..
> is there such a thing in vlan mode?

It might work with the Netgraph bridging.  It's not going to work
with the packet fast forwarding.

The new netgraph version goes through ether_input, so it should
not be a problem.

Promiscuous mode isn't really necessary (IMO), at least on the
interface to which it's trunked.  It *might* be an issue for the
VLAN itself, though, if it's supposed to bridge to a non-VLAN.

My impression of bridging in theis context was that you would
use it to create a virtual LAN at otherwise physically disjoint
locations, so that bridging should be automatic, at least that
way.  That implied (to me) that the bridging was e.g. to allow
a box to be on the local net with an ethernet interface, and
act as a bridge between that net and another local net, using
the VLAN as a transport, over something else (e.g. a point-to-point
IPSEC link between the "bridges").

From old DEC days, I'd say it was the moral equivalent of a DELNI,
where you have half a bridge, a quarter mile of optical fiber, and
the other half of the bridge, and everything on either side just
sees a bridge.

I imagine that the primary use would be for VPN's, where there
were N nodes at one site and M nodes at another, where N > 1 &&
M > 1.

Unfortunately, I don't have a Cisco Catalyst 2900 or other toys
necessary to play with VLAN interoperability at the moment, I
can only play with FreeBSD<->FreeBSD VLAN stuff, and then draw
conclusions based on the RFCs and Cisco and other documentation.

Sorry to be so vague.  8-(.  Maybe someone with a larger "toy"
budget than I have could contribute something to the conversation?
I know Bill Paul has done a lot of work with VLAN code (he wrote
the FreeBSD FEC code), and I expect Jon Lemon would be quite
knowledgable, too, being a Cisco employee (plus have access to
toys we haven't even heard of, yet ;^)).


-- Terry

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