From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 11 3:48:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (brea.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C8A37B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63072DE2CD; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:48:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fBBBmJ005633; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:48:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:48:19 -0600 From: D J Hawkey Jr To: Michael Lucas Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux Message-ID: <20011211054818.A5471@sheol.localdomain> Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com References: <20011210155924.A1542@sheol.localdomain> <20011210173206.A1795@sheol.localdomain> <20011211061406.C35343@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011211061406.C35343@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 06:14:06AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geez. Don't some of you sleep, either? On Dec 11, at 06:14 AM, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > My current plans are to have several patchfiles, grouped by subject (bugfix > > and/or enhancement), and subordinately grouped by FreeBSD release: > > > > ich_sound-patch-4.2REL.udiff delayed_ack-patch-4.2REL.udiff > > ich_sound-patch-4.3REL.udiff delayed_ack-patch-4.3REL.udiff > > ich_sound-patch-4.3STA.udiff agp_for_xf86-patch-4.2REL.udiff > > > > You get the idea. > > Excellent Well, as Mr. Watson pointed out, there are better ways, but for an initial rollout, I don't think that level of sophistication is required. > Other people will help with QA, if this takes off. Believe me, if a > patch blows up a system you'll hear about it. :-) > > Hey, I'm not taking _anything_ away from y'all; I think all the BSDs are > > outstanding products. I'm just gonna see if I can't fulfill what I percieve > > as a support deficiency (again, from my own perspective) in my own little > > way. > > That's the only way anything gets done around here; someone sees a > need, and fills it. The only question is, is this a need? From > watching the mailing lists, I certainly think it is. > > The point is this: > > J D, you have an idea. "D J", actually. But "Dave" or "Hawk" gets my attention faster. > Your messages have been read by most of the > readers of this mailing list. You have gotten a "do it!" from a few > people, including a -core member. You have gotten a few side comments > from other developers, such as Matt Dillon's comment on your future in > the flame wars. So, people have actually read this thread. I might > be wrong, but I don't believe that you have received a message saying > "Your idea sucks!" You have also received a few comments on other > ways this can be handled; this should be taken in the spirit in which > it is meant, which is "It's a good idea, here's how you could improve > it." > > In FreeBSD, this is what passes for "management buy-in." > > So, I officially challenge you: are you going to do it, or is this > going to wither on the vine like every other time it's been suggested? > Consider the gauntlet thrown (in the kindest possible manner, mind > you). Put up an initial patchset, announce it here and on, say, > daily.daemonnews.org, list an email address for patches on the web > page, and see what happens. No challenge necessary. I, too, believe the general attitude is "Go for it.". So I'm going to. It won't be much to look at initially - maybe ever - but I'll bring it up and see what happens. It'll take a few days, but I'll post an "It's here." when it's here. BTW, am I allowed to use the daemon mascot? I spent some time yesterday browsing cvs-all@, and got another little patch that backported easily and fixed a nagging problem I've had since day two (that AGP patch in the above example). > In fact, if you do it well, you might even find a vaguely well-known > BSD columnist picking up your site in a future article. Ack. Don't do that. Sooner or later, the economy will pick up again, I'll get myself the badly-needed job I lost, and my play-time will once again be reduced by a factor of four. The last thing I'll need then is any kind of publicity. > ==ml Thanks for all the encouragement and feedback, Dave -- ______________________ ______________________ \__________________ \ D. J. HAWKEY JR. / __________________/ \________________/\ hawkeyd@visi.com /\________________/ http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message