From nobody Sun Jan 22 06:59:44 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4P03yS2brPz2v5nZ for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 07:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12e.google.com (mail-lf1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4P03yR01QFz4LHN; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 06:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=ZNXB9ASm; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-lf1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id a11so13917863lfg.0; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 22:59:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=awCdZdE78pntDJEMP8WKSiPgBP2gulGLlv9RormsfEY=; b=ZNXB9ASmmJq2xcsiM/M+2pCzCG/D/T8tJ17h/7hiVlixqOScSGPJvFBdc7aCO0oe6i Qx9s1aGf26J7SOOi13Ms9Hb/n6RZ01tfSAhAfCwL2b44e32fl+QteQIG7R6YMX1KU5Qi zXYZX8XZ+wyHwPDsVFvEAvaOLLbLBJqlRQlvjPb7s/9Pgv1D4lXw59EKkWVpXxYVfRN7 RXwFAWAQj1tQ2b1dlk1NmhOIklUwJ+zH03Pu5jkQE5HOGCJM+k5sClsDEUPLDWrQij9v OL3l0hWzwgqjLym/9xpWfP9/hdoi5FHxiOWYFFkSqh9zA1jjHBuRNxtA9UQr6x/ziE0K U/dQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=awCdZdE78pntDJEMP8WKSiPgBP2gulGLlv9RormsfEY=; b=I7dRDGWdpqe6YXtLsi780qldvGekR+XHQuf09AE0p3DeJbYInOol0/1pgn0uAI4C5L 7Px/We1u1PTovLE83s+dPgJxjWUrwTzS+6WbMwBd7WU2Z6w1/fNv2pqann3gXuqTBYxV Cp9pm7O4rEcJwsj09ZwWBkV3XZ7GwFXedHXdDmsL2GRJxw+PrHeEJdiYCNqPT5Hmrl3g ZvEknLS0ruvNDiDqQ5ymEPMwLr7Debo5e1KCeV7IeNjoHXscNQAfb/PRT3DykhEP9OiV YYp7EVwsoBSpXhygdih5sVvrY+u5fadw6pVblbRib2ete7w7WjfPxm/hxKnaBsIgSCj2 LSgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqDTjASgwfRnfcV67ljwMooyJdi+NpMorgNkpHINoDz8FQsgIBl K+c7WYAy3u07c/gQz9lUIddTcL07CO/J0lF2WjhMTMtSOtQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv5/BarqAKY4H82IRXQRSvbtLnnpQ/ZYzjiflvqKa5LHlpVzXniGIRWz5gGb34LW2fO/3Cul80he5eYaVfyALs= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4f11:0:b0:4cb:9fe:77b with SMTP id k17-20020ac24f11000000b004cb09fe077bmr1103561lfr.589.1674370797316; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 22:59:57 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1889CB4C-4B11-4178-8446-97DA9E5EC35A@nimnet.asn.au> <20230122060127.GB8068@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 07:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Out of order posting (was:: Load 0.20 on a freshly installed idle system) To: Paul Procacci Cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Ian Smith , freeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000098af3505f2d4d439" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12e:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4P03yR01QFz4LHN X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000098af3505f2d4d439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Typo (corrected below)... Sorry! On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:52 Michael Schuster wrote: > Late to the party (I admit it), still... > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci wrote: > >> . >> Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to the >> position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said >> email (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules' >> on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work. >> > > In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a few clicks > in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort than > what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea. > > Also (and this has been written many times), by you avoiding the effort > once of streamlining your response, you're putting that effort on every one > of your readers. > > Also a fact: not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until >> now. >> Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a long >> time ago. >> > > Just as you need to know the different rules for driving in different > countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly), there are also > slightly different rules on "moving" in different circles. > The fact that one community (or was it perhaps a single individual? ) > frowns on top > I meant "bottom" - obviously :-) posting is just that - one fact. So? > > Regards > Michael > [ previous stuff omitted] > --00000000000098af3505f2d4d439 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Typo (corrected below)... Sorry!=C2=A0

On Sun, Jan 22, = 2023, 07:52 Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com> wrote:
Late to the party (I admit it), still...=C2= =A0

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 07:37 Paul Procacci <pprocacci@gmail.com>= wrote:
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Unless I'm using an email client where I can move a cursor to th= e position needed to tip me off what kind of posting is required for said e= mail (like Mutt), then the steps necessary to conform to various `rules'= ;=C2=A0 on various forms/lists/work emails/etc is simply too much work.
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In my opinion, if this little piece of effort (which is just a fe= w clicks in my experience on both phone or desktop computer) is more effort= than what you're trying to say... Well, you get the idea.=C2=A0
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Also (and this has been writte= n many times), by you avoiding the effort once of streamlining your respons= e, you're putting that effort on every one of your readers.=C2=A0
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Also a fact: = not once has anyone complained to me about top posting until now.
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Also a fact: I was asked not to bottom post elsewhere albeit quite a l= ong time ago.
Just as you need to know the different rules for d= riving in different countries or for speaking different languages (sensibly= ), there are also slightly different rules on "moving" in differe= nt circles.=C2=A0
The fact that one community (or wa= s it perhaps a single individual? ) frowns on top
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I meant "bott= om" - obviously :-)=C2=A0

posting is just that - one fact. So?=C2=A0

Regards=C2=A0
Michael=C2=A0
[ previous stuff omitted]=C2= =A0
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