From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 30 06:51:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E13106564A for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de [217.11.53.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC768FC0A for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p5B1548CE.dip.t-dialin.net [91.21.72.206]) by mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D731F844016; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:51:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (IO.Leidinger.net [192.168.2.110]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04004118F; Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:51:37 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: "Devin Teske" Message-ID: <20110430085137.00005dbc@unknown> In-Reply-To: <007201cc06c8$e1d99260$a58cb720$@vicor.com> References: <9AD2C0D5-F2A7-4F20-B04A-AF9BFC5918F7@vicor.com> <20110429130820.5056390e@bhuda.mired.org> <000301cc069f$edf8bd10$c9ea3730$@vicor.com> <20110429223355.00004ab0@unknown> <007201cc06c8$e1d99260$a58cb720$@vicor.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs47 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EBL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EBL-MailScanner-ID: D731F844016.AE7CF X-EBL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EBL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, spamhaus-ZEN, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00) X-EBL-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-EBL-MailScanner-Watermark: 1304751103.83539@kvwr2lCYWO0b0OeqE4PI7Q X-EBL-Spam-Status: No X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:19:55 +0000 Cc: 'FreeBSD Hackers' , 'Mike Meyer' Subject: Re: [RELEASE] New Boot-Loader Menu X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:51:57 -0000 On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:55:12 -0700 "Devin Teske" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alexander Leidinger [mailto:Alexander@Leidinger.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:34 PM > > To: Devin Teske > > Cc: 'Mike Meyer'; 'FreeBSD Hackers' > > Subject: Re: [RELEASE] New Boot-Loader Menu > > > > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:02:03 -0700 "Devin Teske" > > wrote: > > > > > I was thinking that what we ought to do is support *both* numbers > > > *and* letters. > > > > Sounds good to me. > > > > > I envision the menuitem numbers remaining unchanged (1-7), > > > allowing those familiar with the numbers to use them. > > > > > > However, as for the letters, I'm thinking that we *BOLD* the > > > mnemonic in the menuitem. For example (showing bolded items > > > between asterisks): > > > > > > 1. Boot *[ENTER]* > > > 2. *A*CPI Support: Enabled > > > 3. Boot Safe Mode: NO > > > 4. Boot *S*ingle User: NO > > > 5. Boot *V*erbose: NO > > > 6. *Esc*ape to loader prompt > > > 7. *R*eboot > > > > > > This should indicate to the user, for example if they see that > > > the "V" in "Verbose" is bolded, that they can press that key to > > > activate that menuitem. > > > > Your below points are all valid arguments. However, I think they are > a bit reaching. > > The types of people that know what it means to boot into Single-User > and/or Verbose mode would not be prone to thinking in those ways. Maybe not single user, but maybe verbose. For me the first question is not how to improve this, my first question is if we need to improve this. > I'm still leaning toward just making the "V" in "Verbose" and "S" in > "Single User" bolded. Your initial proposal about the characters looked fine for me. Only making those two in bold looks looks like a step backwards to me. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137