From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 17 5:13:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-94-248-46.mmcable.com [24.94.248.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 223AA37B410 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 53494 invoked by uid 100); 17 Sep 2001 12:13:03 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15269.59599.721255.236673@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:13:03 -0500 To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RMS: A threat to society? In-Reply-To: <3BA3248D.5E47FDC9@mindspring.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010913023437.045fae70@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913002733.05261930@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010912203732.0492cc80@localhost> <20010912225151.58FCD37B40B@hub.freebsd.org> <20010912215547.98067.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com> <20010912225428.A9675@citusc17.usc.edu> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913021952.045974f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010913185102.0497c9e0@localhost> <15266.22869.722204.601040@guru.mired.org> <3BA3248D.5E47FDC9@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert types: > I changed the subject to reflect this thread, since it's really > stupid in the context in which it's been placed. Thank you. > Mike Meyer wrote in response to Brett Glass: > > I will agree that mine was a nasty, vindictive attack. On the other > > hand, what you do not see is that your attack on RMS was at least as > > nasty and vindictive. They are, essentially, the same attack - > > comparing someone to a lunatic with no regard for human life. > Actually, I think that usually, Brett is mostly attacking RMS' > philosophy; RMS is merely a convenient example of someone who > espouses that philosophy. If Brett stuck to attacking the FSF, the GPL and the philosphy behind them, he'd be doing his cause a great favor. While I consider many of his arguments *wrong*, they are arguments based on reason, and will sway people. However, when he stoops to something like this: > From: Brett Glass > Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010912203732.0492cc80@localhost> > Stallman, like the Islamic fundamentalists who did this terrible > thing, promotes an extremist ideology which demonizes others, seeks > to destroy them, and is motivated by spite and malice. He comes off as - well, his description of Stallman accurately describe the way he appears when he starts attacking RMS. Unfortunately, anyone who tries to point this out to him he instantly labeled as a "dune coon" - uh, sorry, make that - "fanatic RMS sympathizer" without regard to anything that person has actually said about RMS, the GPL or the FSF. > In short, RMS is a scar, a shaved head, a monocle, and a bald > cat away from being a villian in an Austin Powers movie... I think that would require a major upgrade in his personal hygiene and empathy, though it's been long enough since I've seen him that that might have changed. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message