From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 21 00:39:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C79C8AE60 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC931B9D for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9D1FDC8AE5F; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC46C8AE5E for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68C131B9C; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uBL0dSAc011198 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:39:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uBL0dRSs011195; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:39:27 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: marino@freebsd.org cc: Mark Linimon , Boris Samorodov , "ports@FreeBSD.org Ports" Subject: Re: Subscription for committer In-Reply-To: <23944cf2-852b-ef5b-7837-dfb084c2f32d@marino.st> Message-ID: References: <20161217193514.GA22107@lonesome.com> <20161220022257.GA30196@lonesome.com> <23944cf2-852b-ef5b-7837-dfb084c2f32d@marino.st> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:39:28 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:39:36 -0000 On Mon, 19 Dec 2016, John Marino wrote: > On 12/19/2016 20:22, Mark Linimon wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 07:07:06PM -0600, John Marino wrote: >>> It's a natural reaction to stop attempting to contribute when previous >>> contributions don't get "attention they deserve". >> >> Which some people (including me) see as odds with: >> >>> the impression that portmaster is officially recommended [has] to be >>> stamped out >> >> People tend to put off working on topics that include "demands". >> >> It's just human nature. >> >> Plus, there are thousands of other PRs to work on that don't involve such >> charged language. Working on those is more rewarding and less frustrating. > > It was decided that any implied recommendation for portupgrade and portmaster > in FreeBSD documentation has to be removed. Obviously there is some disagreement on this point, as this long, multiply-broken, renamed thread has shown. > The docs people are aware of the decision and are charged to implement > it. As volunteers, committers are free to choose the work they want to do. > It's not "my" demand. If valid PRs are in a moving queue, fine. If > valid PRs are being conveniently and intentionally forgotten, I would > say that's not fine. There is no queue. Volunteers choose the work they want to do. > and mcl: I challenge you to identify *ANY* offputting language in PR 214679. > You can't just imply that it exists when it doesn't. There has been plenty of off-putting language outside of that PR referring back to it, including some a few lines above. These are far beyond demotivational. More of the same will not have a different effect. My apologies for extending this already too-long thread.