From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 6 07:45:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091AB841; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 07:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10B62CBF; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 07:45:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=bH9E1Cru/ypbGSn2zoncNRXI4npUMUkmfltasRjMkig=; b=YaECJ5O6kd+3+3wzWt0ukbFVwZIci5B/XCCAbRAHG+CZwKazfUEpiDbNLp4uWOPSfJ70xl65QSoj3fAMraOYei71VVTy1avaqHK2TWrVsKlK1wMqu2/UphjS7NEYdDTEgVEVVqbF8/VrGoknl72Ru09kA56vMnvXe5Th2X825pE=; Received: from [182.9.140.79] (port=15655 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VSj1m-004JJv-Q6; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 01:45:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:45:15 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Matthew Seaman Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Message-ID: <20131006154515.01c14ded@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <5251094E.2030800@FreeBSD.org> References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> <20131006102955.4191e4a4@X220.ovitrap.com> <20131006120117.183b20ce@X220.ovitrap.com> <5251094E.2030800@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:45:25 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:55:10 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 06/10/2013 05:01, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > this type is called 'design'. As an engineer I do the software > > behind an website but I do not dare to make the design. Ok, I tell > > the designer, when I think the design could be improved but I do > > not dare th change it myself. > > The trick is to realise that site design is simply another form of > engineering, albeint with rather different contexts and constraints > than writing software. > > Writing a website so that the users can interact with it readily, find > and understand what they wat, avoid frustration and have a pleasant > overall experience is conceptually much the same sort of thing as > writing a website so it doesn't hog server resources or continually > fail ungracefully or have a badly indexed sub-optimal database schema. > Basically you want it to do it's job efficiently and smoothly, whether > 'it' is the back-end server code, or the on-screen presentation. > > Granted, optimizing sites for human interaction is a whole different > skill set, but it's not some holy task that only some annointed > designer with the mandate of heaven can undertake. yes, it is not rocket science but - as you said - a different skill set. Erich