From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 06:06:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807B45B4D99 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6BLK2cJ9z3mM1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5998C5B4D98; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596505B4D96 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6BLK0sfxz3mPG; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 12Q66RUs058523; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0700 From: Chris To: Kurt Jaeger Cc: Rene Ladan , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline In-Reply-To: References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6BLK0sfxz3mPG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 -0000 On 2021-03-25 22:24, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> Why does our work have so little value that portmgr@ is unwilling >> to keep us all in the loop, or consider our opinions on such matters? > > The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, > dayjobs, etc) ares valid for those folks from portmgr as for > the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. Indeed, and don't think that hadn't occurred to me. In fact I suspected that portmgr@ was feeling a bit overwhelmed, and that *that* triggered the seemingly overreaching python announcement. May I humbly request a petition for such large-sweeping changes? IMHO this will give portmgr@ the opportunity to get caught up, and perhaps get some assistance -- maybe we all come up with an idea that saves _everyones_ bacon. :-) Thanks for the thoughtful reply. --Chris