From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 24 6:17: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF317151CB for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11qdDO-0001uB-00; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:16:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA74950; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:16:05 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:16:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAD and CASE for Unix In-Reply-To: <383bdf89.202795184@mail.sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote: >>I'm sure that we will. However, the biggest difference is that the >>bug-infested bloatware can only hurt itself instead of killing the entire >>system. > >Come on folks, this is too simplistic. Take something like Delphi which >compiles fast, tight code. RAD tools are no substitute for good design and >coding practicies, they should be looked at as a set of tools to take the >drudgery out of programming. I for one would really welcome some more >modern development tools for FreeBSD. I would hope that there would be a middle ground somewhere. I think maybe an app that generates code but interfaces with another compiler (such as gcc) to allow more user options and portability. But i think RAD and CASE work great for GUI design and basic design layout. But i'm just a lowly computer science student/programming intern ;-) I think outputting source rather than object might reduce the chances of some company coming out with the equivalent of MFC for Unix, which then introduces proprietary closed source development. But, as said before, RAD and CASE are no substitue for good programming skills. VC++ and VB (even worse) have created a rash of programmers, but not accomplished designers or analysts. my $0.02 worth -jm "If it's a penny for your thoughts, but you put in your 2 cents worth, someone is making a penny somewhere." - Steven Wright To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message