From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 08:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A911837B401; Mon, 19 May 2003 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de [193.174.154.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AC843F85; Mon, 19 May 2003 08:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandt@fokus.fraunhofer.de) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100])h4JFPAE22012; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:25:10 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:25:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Harti Brandt To: Ruslan Ermilov In-Reply-To: <20030519150817.GB49035@sunbay.com> Message-ID: <20030519171354.N1011@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <20030520000655.F93323-100000@hewey.af.speednet.com.au> <3EC8EFFD.1060702@tcoip.com.br> <20030519150817.GB49035@sunbay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Andy Farkas Subject: Re: man(1) oddity - was: HEADS UP: bzip2(1) compression for manpages... X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:25:14 -0000 On Mon, 19 May 2003, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: RE>On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 11:53:49AM -0300, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: RE>> Andy Farkas wrote: RE>> > RE>> >Arrghh. Why you not believe me when I have proved the user experience is RE>> >different between 4.x and 5.x ????? RE>> RE>> He isn't denying that. He's just claiming these 10 seconds are not a RE>> result of the man page being catpaged. RE>> RE>Right. RE> RE>> I do have a question... on these examples, does the cat page exist or RE>> not, for each? RE>> RE>It does not. If it exists and is up-to-date, it's just uncompressed RE>(if it's compressed) and displayed. RE> RE>> And what happens in the other case (ie, if the cat page RE>> does not exist in these examples, what happens when it does exist)? RE>> RE>If the catpage does not exist, it's either created (if the user RE>has the write permission to the cat* directory) or the raw RE>manpage gets formatted, and the output is piped to the PAGER. RE>Piped, not ";"ed, hence no message. RE> RE>If we are to add the message, it should be "Formatting and RE>displaying the page, please wait..." which is silly (IMO). You should try 'man sh' on an 166MHz Pentium, then you see that this is not silly... groff is a C++ monster and on slow machines takes quite a while even to grok the macros, not talking about spitting out the first page. harti -- harti brandt, http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private brandt@fokus.fraunhofer.de, harti@freebsd.org