From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Apr 6 08:21:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717D75C4573 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geralddelapascua@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-f176.google.com (mail-yb1-f176.google.com [209.85.219.176]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF0q42lSLz3k9R; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geralddelapascua@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-f176.google.com with SMTP id g38so15271909ybi.12; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 01:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=63X58OLvNmau82e1a+Et1x48OEOTRTdP07XJtGuJiX8=; b=uanKR2i5J3i6GqYCDympfqFY4quozjLdKHEItXfLWrSGK2CdgcWKZqPAbqCwQWRP7h /YB6JXWTYgbpE1XoqeCeaPYa1ajmM/emGmt4B9aa8IOhdZSnQWe23nUcOMd9u1h9S8Me QH+7RdrfpNDDGsdP1PWNqPVEF6lLrnRSgCqEeaOi45w2OMS6JHdwaEei8IVP6Z49Rm8K 88xaK4WRzWS+DrJsSbze44B+1QHt9VmJtyXsMhBt2Goz/aIVG3UCEZ2cEYqezSVRDEbq hlTYQ9CISWjwOx93LH3y2x1x7sqM0ByBnbl7Lvk0pNWcroUvDZlh5SVfjNO0FVkitm2F 754A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532vRpIrwcWBIBfnfjiXFKjvsn4BcbmyaGz6ymRE2kTmcc3Tn8gZ XAib54fEXTbIirSMHKJ0YCKhdqkdl1GrOrkvP9XUpRC2Bhg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxYNgKCVmis13+bNLUfZBi2fY4U+cl+76CrRpl+ni16ZQW4bmROHSmw4xcwYZdXfnACWlHJyNs9PZ/Gnk3iFD4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:ae03:: with SMTP id a3mr15685371ybj.118.1617697279585; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 01:21:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6051E091-200B-4A7F-9A53-86652425BBB6@punkt.de> <22c50a6-7c2c-3fc0-bd5f-42a0ba624c3@io-tx.com> In-Reply-To: <22c50a6-7c2c-3fc0-bd5f-42a0ba624c3@io-tx.com> From: Gerald de la Pascua Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 09:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? To: Ted Hatfield Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" , Ed Maste , freebsd-stable stable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FF0q42lSLz3k9R X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 08:21:20 -0000 +1 again from me too, keep it, It seems a pointless change of something that it seems a reasonable number of people are still using, even if there are better tools now, G On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:16 PM Ted Hatfield wrote: > On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > >> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste : > >> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? > > > > A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't. > > > > I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients > > from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via MacPorts. > > > > People who manage any larger collection of networking gear *depend* > > on these outdated but simple services. Client and server side alike. > > > > TFTP is not going away, neither is FTP. I'm dead serious. Remote media > > via Supermicro IPMI in 2021? SMB1. Firmware updates for my UPS? FTP. > > Scanner/printer/fax all-in-one thingy? Uploads received fax transmissions > > via FTP. PBX? Uploads usage reports via FTP. This stuff is here to stay. > > In local networks, of course. > > > > But still even on "the Internet", FTP is the most used method for > customers > > of static website hosting. You cannot teach these people what an SSH key > is. > > Just my experience, but backed by a load of customer interactions over > more > > than 20 years ... > > > > Kind regards, > > Patrick > > -- > > > > > Hear! Hear! > > Although I don't have any statistics to back this up this > has been my experience as well. > > Sincerely, > > Ted Hatfield > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >