From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 8 10:55:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: docs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B96A106566C; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de [217.11.53.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CEFC8FC0C; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2E3AC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.227.172]) by mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EEFA844024; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:39:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E75429B5A5; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:38:57 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1244457537; bh=hEfTnDwv25ZyPW65ANUgaJC1xoMdCcUiJ+UNBzKlYgA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nWVwBgeLlpRYoJEafMBQCX/86DRY6IIwIMJjkij13/3J5uQ5fcT2zpeNa3Y7wSt6w 14+ExfdA9zvXVZY/F8yIxaMIFfw3oy9QR3PZaeBxM/T+FYV3+ulQEVW7eeT8UrGicZ itB+ofSomF3QbXvO7sBOj+L+kvDVNWBgaKvDNfJfoFjrf2x4xH81UawJu/ItqOLOqv U9PIM0lSKvd1xJcIF4sDfqQu6vOccFSSiyqbAIoO2AGQgmDs/jCoZzwV6a/nzvctIM M38DAB+Pqg0gjaajihVkpWQdWvdRqVCLdMa/K7Yn+4sL9Wp9WiCo649r8xwkupQ6I1 ab/FwPEEempVQ== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id n58Acu13025894; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:38:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:38:56 +0200 Message-ID: <20090608123856.570933oz30orz0w0@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:38:56 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Edwin Groothuis References: <200906080533.n585X9ao017209@svn.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200906080533.n585X9ao017209@svn.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.3.3 / FreeBSD-8.0 X-EBL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EBL-MailScanner-ID: 3EEFA844024.4BC2D X-EBL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EBL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, spamhaus-ZEN, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.637, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, BR_SPAMMER_URI 2.00, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00, TW_SV 0.08) X-EBL-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-EBL-MailScanner-Watermark: 1245062346.11012@3XJeMDVRHufkqCI1HfO2xg X-EBL-Spam-Status: No Cc: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, docs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r193688 - head/share/timedef X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:55:33 -0000 Quoting Edwin Groothuis (from Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:33:09 +0000 (UTC)): > Author: edwin > Date: Mon Jun 8 05:33:08 2009 > New Revision: 193688 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/193688 > > Log: > [patch] [locale] German locales use old %d.%m.%y date format > instead of newer ISO date > > From the submitter: > > DIN 5008 (German norm for text processing) defines the old date > format (%d.%m.%Y) to be obsolete and to be used only, if unambigous. > In international communications the new format (%Y-%m-%d) is now > required and FreeBSD should respect this. What does this mean? Does 'date' with the de_DE locate print out Y-m-d instead of d.m.Y now? This would look strange to me, as this is not used in normal daily communications. The government sends letters with dates in d.m.Y, newspapers have d.m.Y, and the daily news in the TV also display d.m.Y. The text above specifies that this seems to be intended for international communications. When I set de_DE in my locale for my user, this is not international communication, it's more like "I want to see text/dates in my local language/conventions". As the PR is from 2004, and we have 2009 now, I'm not sure if this change is correct. I haven't read the corresponding standards/documents. > PR: conf/72076 > Submitted by: Peter Wullinger > MFC after: 1 week I think you should not MFC this so fast. It may be better to discuss this with our German doc people (docs@ CCed), maybe this needs to be backed out. Bye, Alexander. -- "I don't care how many eyes a man has... as long as it's less than five." -Leela http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137