From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 20 14:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28508 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nirvana.curium.com (qmailr@nirvana.curium.com [209.123.36.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28350 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blair@nirvana.curium.com) Received: (qmail 9507 invoked by uid 1028); 20 May 1998 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 May 1998 21:14:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Blair Sadewitz To: dandugger cc: freebsd-misc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: www.openbsd.com In-Reply-To: <18351903.9.171@server1.onmedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998, dandugger wrote > what's up with www.openbsd.com? did openbsd really hack freebsd? > -dan.... > I don't know the answer to your question. However, I can tell you "what's up" with www.openbsd.com: a) It is an ineffectual and half-witted satire. Observe: Portable currently the operating system runs only on Texas Instruments TI-82 graphic calculators, but we are working on support for a variety of other platforms, including the HP 48. Please contribute money if you want to see this happen. I don't see how this effectively satirizes anything, as OpenBSD actually has support for many architectures. This is a good thing, and I can't fathom why it would be the object of criticism through satire. b) The author is a socially maladaptive boor of questionable cognitive ability. Here are some excerpts from the web page: "Currently, we aren't doing shit, besides making announcements about something yet to be realeased." One can ridicule this statement on two planes: The author misspelled 'released'. Literally, "aren't doing shit" is interpreted as "not doing shit", and thus it leaves the possibility open for many other activities! Furthermore, the OpenBSD developers work constantly on the project, and one can check http://ww.openbsd.org/plus.htm or CVS commit logs for evidence of this. "Effective immediately, we have removed all shells from the operating system. We found them to be an unnecessary security risk. We are now undeniable more secure than FreeBSD. Also, we are no longer accepting bug reports or comments." "Removing all shells" is weak satire when juxtaposed with OS security as a whole. If the author is attempting to convey the notion that OpenBSD sacrifices features in the name of security, I'd like to see him elaborate. Furthermore, the OpenBSD community is _open_ and responsive to comments and bug reports. The author also wrote "now undeniable more secure". Me think that sound bad. In short, www.openbsd.com pokes more fun at the author than the OpenBSD project and soils the name of the FreeBSD effort with his juvenile behavior. Perhaps he should spend some time with _UNIX for Dummies_ and a lexicon in lieu of attempting satire of an excellent free operating system. -Blair Sadewitz Adamantine Ventures, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message