From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 06:41:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D903F168D5 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88E3985CB7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: q79Z8BoVM1nS3BDNzxPOnwohvuZQQFjaiTlCrLPLpID.4NafdpJChK_KPpwVz29 N3fMJ8HTA84vU1.OM0wNJHCyV_ula8xDpkFd_snV423MuvJoMwFGl8qA.hCGb19cvtzj97sG6nRF MAr3UnHIq6UFveG3BSTv6d3TQd.EBYPZFEk1iVuQVqvaVglZ5.HRnh2LyhErSB_cwZG8sZMMnc9O dP3FUMkL1YxhM9I_ez8YMgfsXk0aNbB7l31P9y_OMCw7rivruzaiXwDfNXhZ6zCRvRq3l2Yw1jLC MMrn81RZYPV2l6cVqY9FS0EEaTeJqMI1VkIzEIsfFLAPsSy0cbMqqzDcuubMyAaiAr7oeKPdaNcQ 4.r4jaidmr0Oi3R1DCNCRGN_z.a4H0aSBirnwjQRcvjLhsLGirPDyv4ItSxDNWquo6GkUk.RAsuE prNSeuCQMN0GUg5HTDqZhFOnr4cCJrSQLCF0eJOKFKsFGeStWxIVBI2eYEZfOjZfU_iKUgQ00zTt rTNBYUAgRCq6dE7bs4XiHuMxeQfs2lpmzYQpKMMGSbsr20QndhA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:09 +0000 Received: from smtp156.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.119]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 6499c562bbe8dfdb30b55e30626825c7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:41:07 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:17 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:25:53 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: >> On 2018, Feb 17, at 18:46, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions >> wrote: >>=20 >> Apple should allow to make backups. Actually what they call a backup >> via iTunes is not a backup. They don't backup all apps, they just >> store some purchased meta-thingy and there even is no backup of data >> available. If you accidently deleted an app with some important data, >> reinstalling the app, if possible at all, doesn't bring you back the >> lost data, a sync with an iTunes "backup" would require to manually >> restore data by the file sharing option, but not all apps support >> file sharing, IOW here is no way to backup all user data. =20 > >The above statement is false. It is not false! Delete an app from you existing new iPhone and then reinstall the app, if you sync after doing this, you sync, you don't restore from a backup, hence the data is lost. >[snip] > >I understand the chafing at the closed system, but don=E2=80=99t make false >claims. The claim is correct! >Ralf is correct that iCloud backups do not contain the full app. I never mentioned iCloud, I mentioned iTunes, since I'm not using iCloud. >They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of >your app with your app data and the original. This dramatically >reduces the bandwidth used in backup, just like many of us use rsync >for the same reason. Why would Apple send the whole app back to their >servers when they already have it? They can just send the diff like >rsync does and dramatically reduce the storage and bandwidth load. We described a situation were a new release of an app requieres a release of iOS that is not available for the iPad. When using iTunes, the Apple servers are not involved, there would be no traffic at all and the user would get back therequired old releaseof the app.