From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 27 13:24:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D750283D; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7368FC0C; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id jf20so1589133bkc.13 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=09s1lwVD/en4QyVTMw9LlWZKP53djR4oJjSs9HCLD9s=; b=b67cUj4iOOHLn41MvyXXoI6QHpgvcXMRMdW3IRm1U/1utHJ+TpTD8iFkWQ9WegRgdd REBRyxh7v7zteDtzbqn32MaBZCANVSSR2Q/xkmPbpO56VJ4jDEuW8Lf26rlTbwIeqSy/ ScXxiY7sZS287Fu3wvdmRXYOMnMqzBnacHPkNsjXTpoWqY8gqVc92KmEN0I58mopBWHE yXEHQ2Ed9Xu6+Rx8rmXrp1aFj+W0LkZUfsXmVv2+HBvvER3spIWMP4AulYxyk9gm7utR AeYlcy0iwQt1CxHacb5kXIvEccMAlTQPMfR7UIi4noIVchYAKdkMJZA/Bm8xglQ3rAUc Efjg== Received: by 10.204.128.201 with SMTP id l9mr7768215bks.66.1351344240677; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.197 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:23:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201210020750.23358.jhb@freebsd.org> <201210021037.27762.jhb@freebsd.org> <127FA63D-8EEE-4616-AE1E-C39469DDCC6A@xcllnt.net> <20121025211522.GA32636@dragon.NUXI.org> <3F52B7C9-A7B7-4E0E-87D0-1E67FE5D0BA7@xcllnt.net> <20121025221244.GG3808@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20121026181152.GC44331@dragon.NUXI.org> <20121026204910.E1FFA58094@chaos.jnpr.net> <20121026233225.54FB858094@chaos.jnpr.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:23:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:24:03 -0000 [trim CC list a little to stop people regretting replying to this thread] On 27 October 2012 10:15, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:00 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >> >In that case we have a switch time on the order of years, not weeks; 8.3 >> > is >> >supported until May '14, and unless we get a :tl etc MFC into 8, even >> >longer. All this time the ports tree must work with pmake. >> >> I'm pretty sure I was told it is already in 8 and 7 > > Not in 8.3 at least: > > svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.3/usr.bin/make/var.c?view=log > >> >I don't want to discourage you or belittle your excellent work here, but >> >Marcel made me very nervous with his comment on the process being "a few >> >weeks". >> >> That was based on discussions at the last devsummit. > > These discussions need backing up with a real roadmap, including detail on > exactly what 8.3 and 7.4 users will have to do to ensure that the ports tree > still works. > > I don't see where these considerations have been made. OK, so how about this. We (ab)use the security update mechanism to merge the pmake changes (:tl and :tu) into releng/7.4 and releng/8.3 (possibly the earlier releng branches such as 7.3, 8.2, 9.0). We could then send out a message on ports-announce, giving a few weeks' notice that the change to bsd.port.mk is going through and that users need the latest 'security' patches. When we change bsd.port.mk over, include a snippet such as the one at [1], which gives more informative error text and refers user to documentation. Although I still think this is less than ideal, it is the only way I can see that we can switch before May '14, if the urgency is there. Chris [1] http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/patches/bmake-pmake.diff