Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:09:55 -0700 From: Chris <bsd-lists@BSDforge.com> To: freebsd-net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap@nlnetlabs.nl>, Andriy Gapon <avg@freebsd.org>, Ryan Steinmetz <zi@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: unbound and (isc) dhcpd startup order Message-ID: <d45915bb5d8b4a0a0f4a91dc3b701de8@udns.ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <202006171733.05HHXxru086351@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Rodney W=2E Grimes freebsd-rwg@gndrs= h=2Ednsmgr=2Enet said > >=20 > > On (06/16/20 08:14), Rodney W=2E Grimes wrote: > >>Ok, well, I just thought of one and not sure if it is an issue or not, > >>doesng unbound have the ability to specify interfaces? If so those > >>may not exist until NETWORKING has run? > > > > >=20 > > Unbound isn't really going to do anything useful without the network=2E = I=20 > > don't think it is unreasonable that it should depend on NETWORKING=2E >=20 > Well then the current setup for local_unbound is counter to that, > as it is BEFORE: NETWORKING >=20 > > I think we're in an edge case here and, perhaps, a better solution migh= t=20 > > be to have someone(tm) add in support in rc=2Econf to specify dependency= =20 > > overrides=2E >=20 > dns and configuration are a chicken/egg problem, not really an edge > case, and a person must make a decision as to how to deal with that=2E >=20 > >=20 > > So, perhaps you could set: > >=20 > > dhcpd_after=3D"unbound" > >=20 > > Which would factor into the rcorder processing and make sure that dhcpd= =20 > > starts after unbound=2E > >=20 > > This would allow people to fine-tune things when they run into cases=20 > > like this=2E >=20 > Even beside the unbound problem, this is a good idea=2E It would > fix my "I need ipfw before routing as without ipfw my ospf packets > get blocked and things take much longer to come up problem=2E" Honestly=2E I'm really inclined to agree with Rodney=2E rcorder should really be a more fine-grained utility=2E What about something like: BEFORE: NETWORKING: pf or BEFORE: NETWORKING: ipfw or BEFORE: NETWORKING: unbound etc, etc=2E=2E=2E I think there *may* be a better direction=2E *But* this, at least should be an easy direction to add with few repercussions=2E Yes? >=20 >=20 > > -r > >=20 > > The idea that a daemon that depends on the network being functional > > >> > > >> On a related note, unbound rc script provides "unbound" serv= ice=2E > > >> > > >> I think that maybe it should provide something more generic = such > > as "nameserver" > > >> > > >> or "dns-server" (not sure if there is an established name fo= r > > that)=2E > > >> > > >> The reason I am saying this is that, IMO, if unbound is repl= aced > > with some other > > >> > > >> name server implementation the rc dependency chains should s= tay > > the same=2E > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I do not see anything in the base system that uses unbound or > > local_unbound > > >> > > > service name, so this looks like it could be straightforward, > > though there > > >> > > > may be some ports that have use of this token=2E > > >> > > > > > >> > > > For the blue bikeshed I find that "server" is just noise in t= he > > token > > >> > > > and that "dns" already has "s" for system, so just "dns" is g= ood > > with me :-) > > >> > > > > >> > > That's a good point=2E > > >> > > >> I don't agree=2E The term dns is too generic=2E People are often running > > >> dfferent nameservers on the same machine, as example: authoritative > > >> and nonauthoritative (e=2Eg=2E nsd & unbound)=2E > > > > >>Given examples by others your right, we can not put all of these > >>behind the knob "dns"=2E > > > > > >> Regards, > > >> =09jaap > >>--=20 > >>Rod Grimes =20 > >rgrimes@freebsd=2Eorg > >=20 > > --=20 > > Ryan Steinmetz > > PGP: 9079 51A3 34EF 0CD4 F228 EDC6 1EF8 BA6B D028 46D7 > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Rod Grimes =20 > rgrimes@freebsd=2Eorg --Chris
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