From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 14 20:31:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8924E16A41C; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:31:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@mkbuelow.net) Received: from luzifer.incubus.de (incubus.de [80.237.207.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEB143D55; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:31:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mkb@mkbuelow.net) Received: from drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (p54AA90CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.170.144.206]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by luzifer.incubus.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717E132899; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:34:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (mkb@localhost.mkbuelow.net [127.0.0.1]) by drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6EKVlIu024353; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:31:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mkb@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net) Received: (from mkb@localhost) by drjekyll.mkbuelow.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j6EKVjBV024352; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:31:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mkb) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:31:44 +0200 From: Matthias Buelow To: Jon Dama Message-ID: <20050714203144.GC23666@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> References: <42D6B117.5080302@plab.ku.dk> <20050714191449.A8A615D07@ptavv.es.net> <20050714195253.GA23666@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dangerous situation with shutdown process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:31:41 -0000 Jon Dama wrote: >Request Barriers under linux exist to prevent the low level kernel block >device layer from reordering write operations from the upper file system >layers. Request Barriers consist of nothing more than tagging internal >queues within the Linux kernel itself. They do nothing to resolve the >underlying failures of the hardware to provide proper semantics to the >block device layer. >but, Request Barriers are ultimately useless. They can't resolve the >underlying problems with ide/sata and there are already exposed semantics >for scsi. If you flush the cache at barriers, on-disk integrity of the journal vs. metadata updates is guaranteed. mkb.