From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 6 17:24:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1F137B404; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0533.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.23] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16imdW-0001uH-00; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:24:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:23:40 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Leftwich Cc: Miguel Mendez , Cliff Sarginson , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Leftwich wrote: > > A hacker looks, but does not touch; hacking is a result of a curious nature. > > Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. The nature of the act of observation > alters what it is you are observing, thus curiosity can crash a system > and/or land your butt in jail near Big Joe's... Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle doesn't apply to macro events, only to quantum events. Specifically, it states that you can not simultaneously know the momentum of an electron, and it's position within h-bar/2. Unless you have a Schroedinger's Cat device hooked up to your computer, observations are not going to collapse any probability wwaves to a certainty, thus effecting the outcome of later observations. 8^p. > This seems to all come down to two ideas: [1] People want "intent" or > "motive" to be part of the noun, just as we have two different words for > those who steal your money: taxman and thief. [2] The Eskimo-like tribe > Ki'illi-Mo%tocka Timbe of the Russian Siberian plains have 13 words for > "dayummn it is phreakin' cold out today!" Just as William Gibson, the person who coined the word "cyberspace" indicated that "It's not ``cyberspace'' until you can torture someone to death in it, and they die in the real world". While we're at it, I want "Operating System" back, too. > > Any true hacker has a Bushido-style sense of honor. A hacker is a Samurai. > > Crackers generally have no honor. A cracker is Ronin. > > Ronin? A Samurai without a house. Someone who doesn't have a higher power to which they answer, and so has no reasonable constraints on their actions to prevent them from becoming sociopaths like Theodore "Ted" Kazinski or Jeffrey Dahlmer. > > Ken Thompson is a hacker. Dennis Ritchie is a hacker. Kirk > > McKusick is a hacker. > > I'm glad you didn't mention Kevin Mitnick. So I will: Kevin Mitnick is a god. So are Baal, Loki, and Hades... 8^p. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message