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From: saxmid To: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6E45F730-9733-499F-AB0D-CD95A740C5ED@topaz.plala.or.jp> References: <3BD7D6EE-B400-42D6-98A5-3DC2647A16AB@topaz.plala.or.jp> <6E45F730-9733-499F-AB0D-CD95A740C5ED@topaz.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.068 Message-Id: <20180406023319.E2ED.6372B391@ceres.dti.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.74 [ja] Subject: [FreeBSD-users-jp 96206] Re: =?iso-2022-jp?b?RnJlZWJzZDEwLjEbJEIkTiUrITwlTSVrGyhCbmF0?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?GyRCJEcbKEJzbXRwGyRCJCxETCRpJEokJBsoQg==?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 17:33:35 -0000 大場＠品川です。 一般に、プールされたFloating IPアドレスをご利用になる 契約には、契約プロバイダの外のIPアドレスの25番portへは 接続が許可されません。（OB25フィルタ規制） https://faq.uqwimax.jp/faq/show/1468 25番のSMTPは無認証接続が前提であることが、その理由です。 自力でInternet上の25番portへ接続できる環境を準備するには （日本国内では）「固定IPアドレス契約」がほぼ必須です。 宅内メールサーバを構築するなら、DNSドメインも運用したくなってきます。 Internet上にサービスを公開する以上、IPアドレスとその運用責任を負う 利用者情報を一対一で紐付ける固定IPアドレス（法人等）契約が必要なのです。 ミニマムでいいのでVPSサーバなどを契約されると、IPは固定されがちで OB25制限もありません。メール受け・出し放題です。 （安いとこのはCentOSとかubuntuになっちゃいますが…） 以上です。 > 今まで色々試したので、まとめます。 > > １）フレッツ（西日本,plala）にPPPOEで直接つながったPCからフレッツ（東日本,plala）つながったPPPOENAT > の内側のSMPTサーバにtelnet hoge.hoge.com 25 成功 > > ２）UqmobileのスマホデザリングにつながったPCからフレッツ（東日本,plala）つながったPPPOENAT > の内側のSMPTサーバにtelnet hoge.hoge.com25 refuse > > ３）UqWiMAXのルータL01につながったPCからフレッツ（東日本,plala）つながったPPPOENAT > の内側のSMPTサーバにtelnet hogehoge.com 25 refuse > > 2),3)でtelnet 25を行なったPCはスマホやWIMAXがNATルータとなってプライベートアドレスをもらっているのに対し、１）のPCはグローバルアドレスをもらっています。 > > 結局、送信側のNATルータが原因ということになるのでしょうか？ > > > > 2018/04/05 11:40、ilovefd のメール: > > > > 西村です > > > > ありがとうございます。 > > 当たりのようです。 > > クライアント側のNATが原因でしょうか？ > > > >> telnet gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com 25 など他へSMTP接続できませんでした。 > > > > > > インターネット側からNAT-Aの内側のSMTPサーバにtelnet hoge.hoge.com 25する場合、正確にいうとインターネット側の端末もNATルータつまりNAT-Bの内側に入っています。そこでNAT-B(FreeBSD10.1)にログインし、NAT-Aの内側のSMTPにtelnet hoge.hoge.com 25してみましたらうまくいきました. > > > > $ telnet hoge.hoge-wiki.com 25 > > Trying 219.XX.XX.XX... > > Connected to hoge.hoge-wiki.com. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > 220 mail5.hoge.com ESMTP > > quit > > 221 2.0.0 Bye > > Connection closed by foreign host. > > $ > > > > 原因はメールクライアントの置いてある側のNAT-Bルータのようです。 > > NAT-BからNAT-A内側SMPTに直接telnet 25するのは*OKだけどNAT-B内側端末からからNAT-A内側SMPTにtelnet 25するのは失敗します。 > > > > また現在NAT-Bの内側のメール端末のメールソフトからplalaに対してはimapクライアントで送受信できているのに、NAT-Aの内側のSMPTには送受信できていないので、これについては２５でなく５８７にすれば通るということなのでしょうか。