From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Oct 13 12:42:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9362CC0DAD4 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com (mail-qk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FF9FB23 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id o68so132898809qkf.3 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pEEUZRMp843fRA+4wnwIktZC88orC+sg638i5jOI0Tg=; b=YpTHfDsucPRQWWi7iPLxphVAlvdAPwPzagM1K79MI67h7O2FcPGqxWCde1lUMk0zil gtqzY7OWglkLc/JHj3ElWiKpRthpzPqq/9yOGJNsOHuTJMZcthXu/bUXeW7moKrnuif1 KDeuFK9yMLto74gz2asVcOyHPX8ABBwP+nN2+RzaoDePHEeHDegLsCuHQ61dAfOedrUt jEzD5/Z60LK4ofoFk5Z3WH9LSj6kp/lH1EL41LXYzzqwpuXkxSlHmpjGsl6xXIHM8AbH QhD5s1mNN5bajvCVRI2nT2uamDQxhSw6U6r9aWF7XQmpJED7wWDNxhEI/aXYb2HyVJSR FUgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pEEUZRMp843fRA+4wnwIktZC88orC+sg638i5jOI0Tg=; b=NFkHri1xDtf9Xs/v275ze2hNF+0c3jwrlAHuPbJv82BcA/o8NmtiZ4vOT8qp/7LEWY Zd8gZFoohWyP1N188nQVTL77Z7cs2X/YtfxESPXbzkjIHT02hF6JrsT3Og9QZ9XPUYwW BRAF8mTeztrYNUoGutodVUGBlZjrpjke+Wm3CcqUQRDNM9/w2r79f2ixjDG5LElVTKwG TfdUXeszcKOhr8291g5ssZJMjg1aBpzB8f27t4UkII5FkG9jmZTdTPjx9E7mIS1fgFam /qIW2xuniSvrfZaI40FcxzgHGvNDwmc1KhdtWKLjZAD5DqUp1BEVHALAOb1RnZQ2qB2y Wn5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rl8An44ctvgWb+URt9v7+vI6DRccy8hRIlVVPb0pgyvlh6amTPmzekzQ4E9X6FNDGCNRtkj6kCRvAdvEQ== X-Received: by 10.55.119.197 with SMTP id s188mr5589268qkc.44.1476362523551; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 05:42:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.170.149 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 05:42:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> From: David Demelier Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:42:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: Matthieu Volat , "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:42:04 -0000 2016-10-12 10:04 GMT+02:00 Andrea Venturoli : > On 10/12/16 09:24, Matthieu Volat wrote: > >> And GNU/Linuxes can be a PITA when you have to track -dev(el) packages >> (which sometimes really requires -bin, -app or whatever), or worst, describe >> to people how they are supposed to build your software with weird subpackage >> names. >> >> I really like that ports provides the software project as intended by >> upstream (modulo options). > > > Just a "me too" here! Could not agree more. Please forget that idea. I just hate having to install libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dbg, libfoo-doc, libfoo-whatever each time I need to develop on Linux. Please do not transform FreeBSD as a Linux distribution :) I love the way FreeBSD and some very sparse Linux distributions provide the packages exactly how it would be installed by hand (= vanilla). FreeBSD offers some options and very few changes for better integration but packages are provided vanilla. You want a package? You install /packagename/ nothing more, nothing less. I really would like to see simple vanilla packages for the next 10 years. The FreeBSD ports is already extremely complicated, do not make it even harder :( Regards, -- Demelier David