From owner-freebsd-security Fri May 17 09:30:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-security Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA29267 for security-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6 (root@mail6.netcom.com [192.100.81.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29262; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boris.scccc.com ([198.243.16.202]) by mail6 (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA03734; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:30:17 -0700 Received: by boris.scccc.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id KAA10791; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:26:17 -0600 Received: from natasha.scccc.com(198.243.16.198) by boris.scccc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010789; Fri May 17 10:25:56 1996 Received: by natasha.scccc.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id KAA15759; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:16:36 -0600 From: kduling@natasha.scccc.com (Kevin J. Duling) Message-Id: <199605171616.KAA15759@natasha.scccc.com> Subject: Re: very bad To: owner-freebsd-security@freefall.freebsd.org (Glen Foster) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, coredump@nervosa.com, freebsd-security@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605171100.HAA00301@ptavv.nsta.org> from "Glen Foster" at May 17, 96 07:00:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-security@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I, for one, am very happy that he announced it to the group rather > than attempting STO. I was able fix the systems for which I have > responsibility immediately. Thanks to Chris for getting the word out! > --- > Glen Foster I agree. I once had a talk with Chris McDonald from WSMR about system security and the debate about whether or not to protect your system through ignorance or not. I was a student at NMSU at the time, working on a paper for system security on NMSU-NET. My audience was my instructor who was also my manager at the Computer Center. Wow, did that stir up a hornets nest, but that's another story... If you don't announce the bugs, then the crackers learn them while the admins are left in ignorance. You're not going to find a forum where you know you're only telling "the right people" about the problem. Now I'm wondering about how many others are out there that I don't know about because they weren't posted on the lists I read. Who's Chris McDonald? One of the few people who listened to Cliff Stoll. -- Kevin J. Duling /\/^\^/^\^\/\ SCC Communications Corp. kduling@scc911.com Boulder, Colorado (303) 581-5769