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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:41:54 +0200
From: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc: mph@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG,
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources
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On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 03:26:23PM -0700, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> Eivind Eklund wrote:
> > On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:51:41PM -0700, Matthew Hunt wrote:
> > > mph         1998/05/03 13:51:40 PDT
> > > 
> > >   ports/www/ijb - Imported sources
> > >   Update of /home/ncvs/ports/www/ijb
> > >   In directory freefall.freebsd.org:/d/users/mph/junkbuster
> > >   
> > >   Log Message:
> > >   Import of ijb, the Internet Junkbuster.  It's an HTTP proxy that
> > >   strips advertisements and so on.
> > 
> > Should't this be under ATT (for "Automated Theft Tool")? ;-)
> > 
> > Refusing to download ads from the WWW is very bad practice.  Those ads are
> > paying for the service you're using.  I'm not even certain we should have
> > the above program as a port - I don't think we'd have a 'automated
> > crack-on-download' tool, for instance, and this is actually fairly similar.
> > 
> 
> Eivind,
> 
> 	hmm....if i understand what you are saying then
> 	1.  i should watch the commercials on TV rather than getting 
> 	    a sandwich or changing the channel.
> 	2.  if i record a program of TV, i shouldnt fast-forward thru
> 	    the commercials.

Let me rephrase this for TV:

If you're a producer of TV-sets, including an option to automatically
remove all advertising so that all programs run continously[1] would
be unwise, as it would be bad for the health of the medium.  As a
consumer, skipping on a case-by-case basis is (of course) OK.

Besides, the payment system for TV is different from the one for
web-sites.  Websites are paid per display of an advert (ie, per
viewer) - TV channels are paid bulk or per slot they display the ad in
(which reach an unknown number of viewers).

Eivind.

[1] Yes, this is impossible for TV, but it is just what ijb does for
    web-sites.